111 system report

[drummer]

Heres an idea for you, research the issue so that you know the facts before spouting off.

oh good grief I forgot.. I can't have an opinion according to you unless I am... how you say... "educated".

[drummer]

You'll have your chance soon, are you standing?

Not this time but playing an active part.

[Lou Girardin]

Why haven't I been sacked then? Because I write stuff all tickets and use heaps of discretion, surely I should have been sacked by now as this is clearly, (according to you) totally against the policies of my employer! Why am I able to do what you say cops can't do anymore?

You're a special case Spud, Very special.
Besides, there's a rebel in every group. I bet there's stuff all rebellious HP guys. They wouldn't be HP long, they'd be GD.

[scumdog]

oh good grief I forgot.. I can't have an opinion according to you unless I am... how you say... "educated".

No, even slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, improvident, lack-witted oxygen thieves are allowed an opinion - is that you too??

[scumdog]

You're a special case Spud, Very special.
Besides, there's a rebel in every group. I bet there's stuff all rebellious HP guys. They wouldn't be HP long, they'd be GD.

Hey, I too don't stress about giving the 'required' amount of tickets - maybe it's my 'don't give a shit' freezing workers attitude??

[spudchucka]

oh good grief I forgot.. I can't have an opinion according to you unless I am... how you say... "educated".

An educated opinion is less likely to be scorned, its your choice.

[spudchucka]

Aha abuse... now wouldn't it be interesting if you copped me for something.. I now have a defence. if you read my post i said SOME PEOPLE!

You're a sensitive wee soul aren't ya.

[spudchucka]

I was on a Thursday 5 weeks ago... now that will get you thinking

Not at all because I pay this much, (0) attention to television.

[Lou Girardin]

Hey, I too don't stress about giving the 'required' amount of tickets - maybe it's my 'don't give a shit' freezing workers attitude??

Yeah, the bosses always gave up on the rural rebels in the MOT too. But I thought you wrote lots of tickets.

[drummer]

Not at all because I pay this much, (0) attention to television.

maybe you should have paid attention to Tv1 last night Spud... maybe you could have heard that pathetic punk of a commissioner and the failed minister for police tell us all is well... that if a little old lady fell out of bed and rang 111 a nice caring officer would pick her up. YEAH RIGHT! Maybe you could have heard how 3000 of 7000 callers to the programme have lost confidence in the police and yet the two morons were spouting off how it showed that NZ had tremendous faith in the police.... I can do little but shake my head at the total failure of these two complete idiots to do anything but bury their heads in the sand.

[drummer]

You're a sensitive wee soul aren't ya.

Spud... you have continually reacted to my simple staement that the public of NZ is losing confidence in the police. You have reverted to open abuse... and yet you actively portray yourself here as a police officer. Should I have confidence in you? Should I have faith that you would be impartial in judging me in your official capacity? NO WAY! If you continue to actively promote yourself as an officer and yet continue to verbally abuse people then what are we to think? If I was to be pulled up by you or accused by you of breaking the law, my defence would be simple and to the point. Figure it out for yourself!

Now why don't you for one moment take a look at your organsation from outside of the square, and honestly tell me that what I say isn't correct. Instead of resorting to abuse, take a step back and listen to what people are saying.

[Ixion]

Spud... you have continually reacted to my simple staement that the public of NZ is losing confidence in the police. You have reverted to open abuse... and yet you actively portray yourself here as a police officer. Should I have confidence in you?..

It is perfectly possible for people to be losing confidence in the police force as a generality, whilst still retaining perfect confidence in individual "coal face" coppers. Mr Spudchucka and his colleagues do not set the budgets, the man power assignments or the priorities for action. They are set in the Commissioner's and Ministers offices and it is to them that you should direct your misgivings.

As an example to prove my assertion : Imagine that Parliament reduced the police budget so much that the force could afford to employ only a single policeman. But that single policeman was a veritable paragon of policing a Dixon of Dock Green policeman. Then the country would indeed say that it had no confidence in the police force but total confidence in the policeman.

Loss of confidence in the police force does not mean that one cannot repose confidence in individual coppers to do their job honestly objectively and fairly. Which is all anyone has any right to ask.

Separate always objections to the strategy of the police force from hostility toward the coppers who do the work.

[scumdog]

drummer, find another forum to use when tilting at windmills dude - Lou at his worst was not as bad as you.

We've got the message - you're not happy with police, mainly the hierachy.
Spud and I cannot do a lot about what is happening above our level (i.e. administration).

People like you seem to want "a Rolls Royce - on a Morris Minor budget", it won't happen, - you, the public and Spud and myself are going to have to make do with what we've got/been given.

Direct you grief at the politicians et al. Spud and I will TRY and do our job the best we can, we have more idea of what's involved and what the constraints are.

Don't like what's happening? Find what you can do to change it, can't change it? - as I said before, immigrating would seen pretty good to me if I had your thoughts and frustrations and belief that this countries police is so much worse than anywhere else.

Don't worry, be happy.

[scumdog]

So you vote Labour then.

A bit of a quantum leap to assume from my postings that I vote at all, you're not a non Labour politician touting for votes are you?

[Biff]

Maybe you could have heard how 3000 of 7000 callers to the programme have lost confidence in the police.

IMHO - That was one seriously flawed poll if you ask me.

A live phone in poll, at a certain time of night, on a certain TV station narrows down the viewer demographics to such a level that you couldn't seriously use this result as a true indication of national opinion. And this is compounded by the fact that there was, in % terms, such little difference between the yes & no votes. Shit loads of margin for error.