Govt internet filter going live is sad day for NZ

[SS90]

That's the only thing that stops me from trying to do anything about it... and that's not likely to change as I have a family that needs CASH in order to be looked after... You can't keep an eye on all of the law making that goes on in Parliament, because you have to work, spend time with family and friends etc... and keeping abreast of every single issue, as an individual, is improbable... you need a team to do that... Things like this filter are just slaps in the face to the populous (or a test to make sure they're still not listening), but noone's listening, and that's through their own choice... why care if there's nothing you can do about it... You've ONLY got 4 million people here... how could you possibly be heard?

That is exactly how it works........ As far back as "organised governments" first saw the light of day, the populous where controlled by the basic human nature of self preservation.

The squeaky wheel doesn't actually get any grease......... it get's retired to the knackers yard, like poor old boxer (using another Orwellian example)

It doesn't need to be that way.

[SS90]

There are people still facing charges over all of that and are being shafted, trail date somtime in 2011, c,mon the right to a speedy trial has been overlooked, unfortunately its not the worst of it, just a reminder is all, we forget so much at times, people are being messed with here just becuase the powers that be, can and do.

I don't know if I agree with that.

Alot of delays are caused by over paid defence Lawers "buying time" using the human rights laws etc.

[Mikkel]

The problem about doing anything seriously about it is that it is not that easy. You only have three principle options as I see it:

1) Armed revolution TODAY - not going to happen, people are generally too well of and therefore complacent.

2) Work the system from the inside (i.e. get into politics) - alas, all evidence suggests that either you have to be cynical and dishonest to get into a position of actual political power or you will become that way during your "rise" to power. (And those who don't and actually engages in politics that are contrary to populist appeal become demonised.)

3) Establish a political watchdog, an independent entity which engages in critical journalism in order to highlight the potential dangers of proposed initiatives - as such fulfilling the role that the press is supposed to take care of.

Personally I think 3) is the better option - and sorely needed in NZ. Alas, it would take skilled journalists, lawyers and managers who doesn't have to worry about finances related to the political climate. But if anyone knows of someone who would be happy to throw in the order of $1 million a year at such a project, maybe something could be done.

[freedom-wedge]

I don't know if I agree with that.

Alot of delays are caused by over paid defence Lawers "buying time" using the human rights laws etc.

Sure that goes on and its a valid point, but if you read up you will see what this trial is all about. October the 15 solidarity group, you will get theirside of it anyway. Back to the filter, if we think this wont be filtering our moring coffee in a few years were mistaken.

[freedom-wedge]

The problem about doing anything seriously about it is that it is not that easy. You only have three principle options as I see it:

1) Armed revolution TODAY - not going to happen, people are generally too well of and therefore complacent.

2) Work the system from the inside (i.e. get into politics) - alas, all evidence suggests that either you have to be cynical and dishonest to get into a position of actual political power or you will become that way during your "rise" to power. (And those who don't and actually engages in politics that are contrary to populist appeal become demonised.)

3) Establish a political watchdog, an independent entity which engages in critical journalism in order to highlight the potential dangers of proposed initiatives - as such fulfilling the role that the press is supposed to take care of.

Personally I think 3) is the better option - and sorely needed in NZ. Alas, it would take skilled journalists, lawyers and managers who doesn't have to worry about finances related to the political climate. But if anyone knows of someone who would be happy to throw in the order of $1 million a year at such a project, maybe something could be done.

Option 3 would be the good choice and you are correct over due. It would put a stop to the use of heart string terminology used to justify extreme measures, only the facts should be presented. Within this filter there is secrecy that should not be there, and the potential for its misuse is enormous. But we all believe that it will be used ethically right.

[bogan]

yeh, 3 is good option, cept it would work a lot better if it was the press filling this role, wouldn't get the coverage otherwise.

[Insanity_rules]

Welcome to New Zealand , an official subsidiary of China. Big John and his cronies are now watching YOU! Nanny state anyone? Do we know the Aussies are laughing at us?

[mashman]

Welcome to New Zealand , an official subsidiary of China. Big John and his cronies are now watching YOU! Nanny state anyone? Do we know the Aussies are laughing at us?

In which case... Hi John, I can't be arsed implementing Option 4 (I believe there is one, but won't be discussing it here)... and if you don't ask, you don't get... so, could you just back the fuck off and action what the people request please...

[Ixion]

Nope, they're not laughing at us. Oz is even further down this road than NZ. Haven't you heard of the Great Firewall of Oz ? (Google it)

[kwaka_crasher]

Just think... if they're doing this shit NOW exactly WTF have they got planned for when the Wankby world cup bullshit is on, when the moronic minions are distracted!

[mashman]

Just think... if they're doing this shit NOW exactly WTF have they got planned for when the Wankby world cup bullshit is on, when the moronic minions are distracted!

hey, i'm allowed to be moronic for 90 minutes at a time when the football (NOT SOCCER) is on...

[kwaka_crasher]

hey, i'm allowed to be moronic for 90 minutes at a time when the football (NOT SOCCER) is on...

That's 90 minutes wasted that you'll never get back.

[mashman]

That's 90 minutes wasted that you'll never get back.

It's my 90 minutes... i'll do with it what I please thank you very much ... you tootle off there and play with your oddly shaped balls ...

[davereid]

Do we know the Aussies are laughing at us?

The aussie filter is compulsory, and they don't even attempt to claim its about kiddie porn.

They censor anything they want, with the aussie govt having admitted that less than 1/3 of the list is even alledged to be illegal porn.

http://cyberlaw.org.uk/2009/05/28/au...derage-images/

[Dave Lobster]

There are people still facing charges over all of that and are being shafted, trail date somtime in 2011, c'mon the right to a speedy trial has been overlooked, unfortunately its not the worst of it, just a reminder is all, we forget so much at times, people are being messed with here just becuase the powers that be, can and do.

It's not just that trial. That sort of a timeframe is quite normal for most serious crimes.

I don't know if I agree with that.

Alot of delays are caused by over paid defence Lawers "buying time" using the human rights laws etc.

Buying time at our expense. Again, that's normal. They'll be the ones dragging it out so the public's eye is distracted, and will have forgotten about it.

Just think, if it gets dragged out for long enough, it'll be on that Sensing Bullshit programme on the propaganda box..



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