Practice riding not reading.

[avgas]

@Sentox - Your right, I am a fucking motorcycle savant. I should not expect such levels from the rest of you common folk lol.

I suppose you folk are right - you should not have to learn the hard lessons of what not to do.
My question is that if someone tells you how to change you riding, do you actually change?
If so, slow the fuck down and ride safely.
Thankyou

[Oscar]

Not all the time. But I have found that sometimes you can read a million books or listen to 100's of others ideas.......but until you actually try it, it all doesn't count for shit. Everyone is different, sometimes reading how others do things - doesn't help you own situation.
But prove me wrong, I have just offered you advice..........go an use it.......just to prove me wrong.

+1

If you want to learn how to do it, you can read about it, but sooner or later you gotta do it.
For example, I know how to back flip my 950 Adventure in theory - I read it somewhere.

There is a certain amount you can learn about riding by just riding, but at some point you''re either going to have to ask or watch someone else do it. After several decades of racing, falling off and generally abusing dirt bikes, I found myself with a lot of skills that were useful on the road. It is said that "racing improves the breed", however it also improves the rider (and by racing I mean anything from blatting around the back paddock with yer mates to full on competition).

[R-Soul]

If so, slow the fuck down and ride safely.

Ahh crap, so now do I listen to you or dont I?

[Headbanger]

weird.

People, Feel free to read discussions on any topic that takes your fancy....or not.

[avgas]

Ahh crap, so now do I listen to you or dont I?

A un-wise person would tell you that to follow someone elses advice is foolish.
A wise one would keep their mouth shut.......

and then there was me. fucking annoying me.

[tigertim20]

For the record, "Sport Riding Techniques" (Nick Ienatsch) is my main resource. Obviously I've gathered information from other sources, but I agree that simply harvesting advice willy-nilly is not the brightest approach.

and that is the point!! a few, reliable, regular resources is a great way, give yourself someone/somewhere to go to with the questions you have. its the 'willy nilly' part in question. getting info off KB is a joke at the best of times between the posers, the bullshit artists, the knowitalls, and the guys just having a laugh with silly replies. a newbie often cant tell the difference between sarcastic humour, and a legitimate response.

I can promise you that even though this is true, it doesn't stop the touch and go level pilots jumping on forums telling other people how to do the LAX landing cos they read it somewhere

and thats the exact problem with KB. people getting advice from people who have no idea whther or not the 'advice' they are handing out is dangerous or helpfull. Hence me saying that one should 'in my opinion' secure a couple of reliable resources to draw upon, and stick to them, rather than taing all info wherever they get it.

[thealmightytaco]

I was really making 2 points
1) Its one thing the know it in your head sitting behind a computer Its a whole other thing to KNOW it with your body on a bike in the situation.
2)Bike riding knowledge needs to be built apon step by step. If we use a couple of unrelated examples
The pianist quoted above is hardly going to go into playing Beethoven when he still can't even do chopsticks without looking at his hands.
A Pilot isn't going to expect to be able to land a 747 into LAX when he's still figuring out touch n go's in a cherokee 152

Agreed, but those pilots sit in classrooms for days before they can even get in the Cherokee.

I don't wanna hate on ya though Frosty, your point is a good point but I'm just not sure I agree. I like reading ahead on the theory and then practising it, and you've just gotta trust people to take it slow till they get it down.

[FROSTY:Me]

Agreed, but those pilots sit in classrooms for days before they can even get in the Cherokee.

Do they??? holey cow then things have changed a lot since I got my licence. --And thank you for that perfect example.

First off ya do a bit od a walk around the plane--Hey this is a wing. This is an elevator -this is a rudder.--now lets fly

In the plane and in the air the instructor gives you control --he/she lets you figure out what each control does.then what they do together.
Once you land and feel 10 feet tall convinced you are more of an ace than Douglas Bader you then get to decide if you are going to learn to fly. --sound familia so far??
From there EVERY time you go to sit behind the controls you get a flight briefing. explaining what you are going to practice.
You fly -you practice --maybee you repeat the lesson
Step by step building on the knowledge youve gathered.

[thealmightytaco]

Do they??? holey cow then things have changed a lot since I got my licence.
...................
From there EVERY time you go to sit behind the controls you get a flight briefing. explaining what you are going to practice.
You fly -you practice --maybee you repeat the lesson
Step by step building on the knowledge youve gathered.

I have to admit I don't actually know! But a couple of friends of friends had and I'm sure they said they did.

And a step by step tutored experience is indeed much better, I wont argue with that. BUT, I still think knowledge should free, rather than locked away for only the black belts to read. I think you've just got to trust that the yellow belts have enough common sense to not overshoot their abilities, and hope they understand they will kill themselves if they try the five finger heart exploding technique before learning to catch flies with chopsticks.

You have to let people live, and walk their own path. I believe, personally.

[thealmightytaco]

Do they??? holey cow then things have changed a lot since I got my licence.
...................
From there EVERY time you go to sit behind the controls you get a flight briefing. explaining what you are going to practice.
You fly -you practice --maybee you repeat the lesson
Step by step building on the knowledge youve gathered.

I have to admit I don't actually know! But a couple of friends of friends had and I'm sure they said they did.

And a step by step tutored experience is indeed much better, I wont argue with that. BUT, I still think knowledge should free, rather than locked away for only the black belts to read. I think you've just got to trust that the yellow belts have enough common sense to not overshoot their abilities, and hope they understand they will kill themselves if they try the five finger heart exploding technique before learning to catch flies with chopsticks.

You have to let people live, and walk their own path. I believe, personally.

[R-Soul]

and thats the exact problem with KB. people getting advice from people who have no idea whther or not the 'advice' they are handing out is dangerous or helpfull. Hence me saying that one should 'in my opinion' secure a couple of reliable resources to draw upon, and stick to them, rather than taing all info wherever they get it.

Which is why I try and correlate the advice that I see with the forces applying in a riding situation. If it fits with eth forces, then I give it more weight (but still dont take it as gospel). I dont even take books by the experts as gospel (hell, Keith code said in his first book that he does not believe in couinter steering)

And then there are still instances that are open to interpretation an debate - like whether back braking helps in emergency braking or not. Some say it does, some say it does not in true emergency braking when the back wheel is off teh ground. Some say you should not try and focus on doing two hings- rather focus on one -front brake- and do it properly. Otehrs say that engine braking and changing down should be used in case you need to ride out of the situation and others not for the same reasons as not using back brake.
And all the studies have shown little difference so as to be negligible and within the realms of a bad reflexes. Thats when debate is good. But still not gospel.

[CookMySock]

Which is why I try and correlate the advice that I see with the forces applying in a riding situation. If it fits with eth forces, then I give it more weight (but still dont take it as gospel). I dont even take books by the experts as gospel (hell, Keith code said in his first book that he does not believe in couinter steering).

Everyone does this. That is the way of the Internet. There is always some person on some forum trying to fix, qualify, or otherwise improve this flow of opinion so that it becomes more fact-like, at least in appearance, but that is not how the Internet works.

There is no such thing as objectivity. All of us make meanings or interpretations based on our previous understandings. We use our prior constructions of - knowledge, skills, understandings, and most importantly values and beliefs - to comprehend our new experiences or world phenomena. Thus, every understanding is subjective and interpretative. There is no absolute truth. We make our own truths, and as long as they serve our contexts well, they will last. However, in a world full of diverse elements in all political, occupational, societal and cultural settings, our constructions of truths are contested and negotiated constantly in so many different spaces. The era of information technology has accelerated the contests and negotiations. To succeed, we need the skills to live in diversity, to have our diverse constructions of truths coexist. One thing for sure, the whole process is a dynamic in nature. Any party that seeks to stay static and is reluctant to grow, will be bound to being left behind.

What the OP would prefer, is that this did not occur, and that he started a sticky with the authoritive definition contained within, like his "getting a dereg bike on the road" sticky after that topic had already been dealt with in-depth.

The best way for any person to do that, is to start their own website with all their advice on it, and see how many hits it gets, or better still, go into competition with said Mr Code, and write a book and see if he can out-sell him. Until that occurs, they are stuck with being a mere mortal spouting their unqualified opinion on a public forum much like this one.

Hey we would all like to be the authority on things and offer wise all-knowing council to others, but the sad truth is it's just our opinion. Bugger.

Steve

[Smifffy]

Fuck this thread, I'm going for a ride.

[Headbanger]

I've just read a thread about riding, That's my quota sorted.

Now I've got a couple of hours free, I'll go in to the nub area and tell other twats how to ride.

[HenryDorsetCase]

In that case you know all about the pie or $1.00 principle then steve?
Just in case you don't remember it. the principle is that your attention is like a $1.00 bill If too much of that $1.00 is being spent on doing something well beyond your skill/experience level that leaves very little money left for the other stuff needed for survival.
A perfect example has to be the discussion about lane positioning on the road.
For a new rider I reccomend staying in the right hand wheel track on the road.
Why? because MOST of the time its the safest place to be
without hesitation I could think of 10 reasons not to and several other options.
Thats great for someone with experience but applying the $1.00 principle will place a novice in danger byt the simple fact they don't know wheres safe.

thats good and all, but where do you get a pie for $1.00? and what's in it?