Kiwibiker Name/number register.

[Storm]

Thirded. OSH's way of thinking can go jump

[Ixion]

My 16.375 Byzantine Shekel's worth

Simpler is better.

Also, this information often changes, in the case of young people , often quite quickly.

If it's a permanent register how likely is it to be up to date ?

And it may vary almost from day to day (during term time , contact my girlfriend, in hols my parents [not my example] ) etc

So what's wrong with the ride organiser/marshall (and I do think that a serious ride should have at least one marshall), keeping a piece of paper for riders to put down rego, name , cell no and "what to do if I have a nasty".

If riders don't want to fill it in/ can't be bothered , well that's their right. Those who are concerned about such things will .

Always up to date, simple, cheap, the paranoid can opt out, and it can be destroyed at the end of the ride, thus eliminating stalking etc concerns.

[FROSTY:Me]

Guys n gals I'm kinda getting worried this is turning into a slinging match .
On top of that this whole "inner circle" thing worries me.
Rather than inner circle perhaps it should be called "dumb f##$ prepared to be available 24/7"
I sure as heck wouldn't wanna have some elite group lording it over other KBers.
The whole Idea really was simple.
if we have a problem on a ride can we be contacted.
The only reason for the "inner circle" is so that your personal information is held by people YOU trust to be discrete with it.

I HATE fights and arguments especially between people I care about.

[bugjuice]

ahh.. so this is the inner circle thing. gotcha

Sometimes when threads take off into pages and pages, I switch off and dismiss as people ranting on at each other. I'm glad I decided to have a flick thru. A lot of good ideas coming round here. Already updated my details, but I thought that was something that came with being 'senior' or summut, but wouldn't have known without reading this. May be start a new thread with the title 'UPDATE YOUR PREFS' or something like that, just so we and others who haven't bothered to keep up with this, know too. As for the people able to access those details, EVERYONE should put in their phones the home and cell numbers of those able to access it. Then if we are on a ride and need information, within a couple of calls, hopefully the data can be accessed. One problem I can foresee tho, is that what if everyone is out? Or what if the server is down again..? Not being negative, but if you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

As for t he card idea, again, I can see the benefits, and flaws. No system will ever be fail-safe, else Microsoft would be out of business. One person having everyones details is a good idea, since they are the ones to invite all along, but it is a big ownership to accept. Regular stops would be needed (should be done anyway), and it would then definately become a team effort to organise a ride, being that the initiator is the lead person, but then with the support or one or two others to help out, depending on group sizes.

I also think that the card should be commonly kept on the outside zipped pocket of the person, with the inside being the alternative, and under no circumstances should it be kept on/with the bike. The bike isn't you, and you don't burst into flames or pieces (as easily). Plus if the bike is stolen, then it's just the bike, not your identity.

Bloody good foundation, with those wanting to go forward, I think we have a solution burried here somewhere. We just need the roots to keep it all growing the right way and to be kept strong and trustworthy.

[Slim]

There is an element of compulsion sneaking into the discussion, and I for one don;t want to see OSH mentality descend on KB ever.

It's actually a Government/Big Brother attitude. OSH don't make the laws, they are just the department that has to educate & inforce them.

I'm with you on the point that each rider should be taking responsibility for themselves, by carrying their details on their person & letting their loved ones know their plans.

But ... a sign-on sheet is a good idea too. When you get over 30 bikes showing up for a run, it can be very easy to not notice if someone has gone missing.

[James Deuce]

It's actually a Government/Big Brother attitude. OSH don't make the laws, they are just the department that has to educate & inforce them.

I'm with you on the point that each rider should be taking responsibility for themselves, by carrying their details on their person & letting their loved ones know their plans.

But ... a sign-on sheet is a good idea too. When you get over 30 bikes showing up for a run, it can be very easy to not notice if someone has gone missing.

Yes, excellent revision of my point, and probably more valid, though I think there is an element of rule making creeping in.

However, don't expect me to organise rides if I'm going to be expected to account for people on the ride turning up at the other end. The whole point of KB is a loosely organised conglomerate of people with the single connection of a shared joy of motorcycling. This isn't a lifestyle club a la Highway 61, or an exclusive organisation like Ulysses. I like the fact I can take a different route, or exit stage left when I feel like it.

Generally speaking most people I've ridden with here pipe up and say that they are going to deviate from the organised course, or that they are heading home, usually at every stop along the way. However much people want to like the idea of keeping track of everyone, I think that you either make it a club ride with rules or keep it a loosely linked group of individuals (very in some cases).

[Rainbow Wizard]

Why is it jim that you seem only to be able to see things in the negative?

Jim2 comes across to me as a very level-headed and pragmatic chap with a point of view that's often different to the norm. I understand this and value it, in part I guess because he's a man to my own heart.

Fair enough to challenge his criticism but to blatantly misrepresent his attitude and character is reprehensible. His comments were not directed at you yet you chose to dump on him. Pity, methinks you do him and yourself a disservice. You are both good blokes, commenting to broadcast your own opinions for the benefit of all and who have the choice whether or not to find merit in your exposes. (say expozays) Maybe you're being a bit over-passionate on this one mate.

Hitcher's comment about User Notes is relevant and if you go look at Blakamin's profile you'll see his rather amusing wee entry AND anyone distressed by his departure can ring him because he's listed his mobile number there. Looks to me like a perfect and simple solution.

Down boy, down.

[El Dopa]

Heres another angle on this thing.
What if we have an official KB club card ?Like a club membership card.
On it would be KB name/real name/phone number/contact person and phone number.
It would be credit card sized and would have the KB logo on the back.
The way it works is that at the start of a ride the ride leader is handed everybodys club card.end of ride they get handed back.
ride leader would hand his card to tail end charlie
It would be an official KB card and would be propperly laminated up and would cost say $5.00 per card --profit going to site upkeep.
The card would also be cool as an ID for getting KB discounts at shops that are offering discounts to KB members.
Being an official type Id it would need total aproval by spank as Im suggesting that the back be a shrunk down KB logo
I think having key contact people still has merit -In that they could act as liason between the willing to help and the needing help people

If someones going to take the trouble to do KB cards, you might want to think about putting blood group and known allergies on the back as well (some people are allergic to certain antibiotics). Not to be morbid or anything, just a suggestion.

Personally, I carry my mobile with me everywhere, and the first person listed in the contacts is 'aaaa wife'.

I'm also thinking about getting a set of dog tags done. Doesn't need to be a bike crash, I could get hit by a bus.

[Waylander]

If someones going to take the trouble to do KB cards, you might want to think about putting blood group and known allergies on the back as well (some people are allergic to certain antibiotics). Not to be morbid or anything, just a suggestion.

Personally, I carry my mobile with me everywhere, and the first person listed in the contacts is 'aaaa wife'.

I'm also thinking about getting a set of dog tags done. Doesn't need to be a bike crash, I could get hit by a bus.

Hmm there we go get dog tags made up for everybody and Have all that info with the Kiwibiker logo on the back. Could even be used to identify ourselfs for discounts.

[James Deuce]

My blood type is, you'll like this Frosty ( ), B negative - so I am! But seriously I'm not trying to be anything other than a Devil's advocate who sees a LOT more work being added to organising a KB ride. I used to be President of a Bike club once upon a time and organising a ride for 30 people was about a week's load of work. Every time no one turned up except Harold and his turnip shaped like a thingy riding pillion on the back of a dodgy looking Moto Guzzi V50 I'd swear that I'd never do that again, that I'd never put myself in the position of having the fun sucked out of riding.

I don't want anyone else to feel like that either. It isn't nice, and nor do I think that the onus of organising big rides should fall repeatedly on those who enjoy getting a big group together, because it will become a chore for them too.

Sedge is right too. Nothing chills me more than a newbie suggesting that they ride at the back by themselves so they, "won't hold anyone up."

How are you supposed to know if they get into trouble?

[Hitcher]

If someones going to take the trouble to do KB cards, you might want to think about putting blood group and known allergies on the back as well (some people are allergic to certain antibiotics). Not to be morbid or anything, just a suggestion.

More useful would be your coffee preference, so that the first rider to arrive at the destination cafe could place orders for those following...

[FROSTY:Me]

Jim2 comes across to me as a very level-headed and pragmatic chap with a point of view that's often different to the norm. I understand this and value it, in part I guess because he's a man to my own heart.

:

RW --You will need to read back a heck of a long way.Jim is someone I have immense respect for.Its his very negativity for new ideas that shows the issues I have to deal with.
Read through the ideas page for the first track day. (12 months ago)
Sometimes the negatives of an idea outweigh the positives and the idea gets canned.
A kite flys against not with the wind

[vifferman]

Waylander, the Police don't contact your family "a few days later". They do it while you are in the ambulance, or being loaded in to it. They will also tell them where they are taking you. If the Police don't do it, the Ambos will, as they did in my case. It is not a good idea for friends or riding buddies to contact families directly IMO.

Only slightly
Heheh - I've been in an ambulance only 3 times, and the last was when I wrote my VFR750 off, on the way to work. The kindly ambo let me use his cellular telephenone to make a call, and bizzarely, I ended up calling work to say "I won't be in today", from right outside our building, as the ambulance was paused in traffic! A somewhat surreal moment.
"Hi - I won't be in today."
"Wondered where you'd got to. Where are you?"
"I'm actually right outside."
"Why don't you come in?"
"Uh.... I'm actually flat on my back, in an ambulance... etc etc."

[Paul in NZ]

Righto... How the heck did this little bolshi thread possibly go this long without my contribution? Ha!

How about.....

A little sticker for you helmut or bike? On it, it has your KB nick name, your blood group ('cos that pretty cool) and any stuff like 'type 1 diabetic', 'raving looney' etc and if you want, a phone number....

I'm sure you can get a printer wot does these reasonable and plugs into a PC. I'd kick in some dosh for the hardware....

Wadda ya reckon?

[James Deuce]

Righto... How the heck did this little bolshi thread possibly go this long without my contribution? Ha!

How about.....

A little sticker for you helmut or bike? On it, it has your KB nick name, your blood group ('cos that pretty cool) and any stuff like 'type 1 diabetic', 'raving looney' etc and if you want, a phone number....

I'm sure you can get a printer wot does these reasonable and plugs into a PC. I'd kick in some dosh for the hardware....

Wadda ya reckon?

bloody hell - I'll take 2!