Going Wide (warning: rant)

[FROSTY:Me]

Ranzer something I've noticed about KB -A good idea has the ability to grow if you are prepared to promote it.
"thats me taken care of" --Ok howsabout you run a emergency braking practice session. I'll be happy to lend ya my training cones and show ya how to do it.
I betya $100 that if you say ---hey I need to practice my braking--anyone wanna come along and practice too--Youll get a heap of guys keen as mustard.
I can tell ya about a couple of deserted roads not too far from town where ya could practice this stuff. By deserted I mean really 0 cars
Heres a little hint--have ya seen how frostys race starts have improved 150% ---nuff said??

[Sensei]

Not to sure what ya mean by not using the rear brake going into a corner Frosty . The only time I use the front is well before the corner then its all rear brake from there on out even to the point that I can be hard on the gas with the back still trailing alttile . Have riden like this for as long as I'v been riding . I believe most GP / SBK riders do this to .

[StoneChucker]

One of the reasons I'm so slow, is because I ALWAYS go into corners too slow. I'm guessing that over time, my "slow" entry speed will increase continously until I'm faster/more experienced rider.

Saying this though, I still find myself braking mid corner, using the front brake. I PERSONALLY find that you can use a little front brake, in certain corners depending on the line you enter with. I guess learning how to use the back brake correctly is the way to go, but I'm super paranoid about hitting the back brake hard, and having it lock up.

The Biker Bible, by Graham Allardice which someone mentioned is a superb book, I suggest it to everyone. Goes into detail about counter steering, race lines apposed to road lines (safer) as well as many other pearls of wisdom (Speaking of which, JAS - can I have my copy back pleeeeeease ))

If you don't ride on the limit ALL the time, when you get into trouble you'll find you have reserves you didn't know you had, in terms of lean angle, braking and what some call divine intervention

PLEASE - everyone, not just learner/restricted riders but those on their full who are not as experienced yet - Please take your time to learn, don't try to keep up with the faster riders you're riding with. The results as we have seen can be devastating.

*EDIT* I AM coming to Aucks to ride SH22 and Scenic Drive! The anticipation and build up is too much now

[Rod Steel]

I havnt read all the posts, but I have no probs like yours on my zzr250. Theres lots of things in my limited experience that ive found can and will effect cornering ability. Maybe its cos i spent 2 years on a YB100 to blast around on before I got my zzr.
But ive found if ur cornering near the speed limit you shouldnt really need to touch the brakes much if at all cos the engine has enough drag in it to slow u down enough to get u into the corner before u power out of it. Im prolly saying stuff u already know, but even the lane u choose when entering a corner will effect how wide u exit. Or when you start to pour on the throttle through the corner etc.
The 2nd best thing I ever did for my handling was check my tyre pressure! it does wonders when ur tyres psi goes from 22 to 32!!!!

anywho...

Cheers
Aaron

[Coyote]

Slow down to a speed slower than what you think you can do around a corner on the road. Eventually you'll gain more experience and learn to go faster around the bends

Track experience helps too

[justsomeguy]

*EDIT* I AM coming to Aucks to ride SH22 and Scenic Drive! The anticipation and build up is too much now

OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!! Somebody said Scenic Drive

[WINJA]

IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH GRIP TO TOUCH THE BRAKES ENTERING OR MID CORNER YOU HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TRACTION TO MAKE THE CORNER, CORNERING IS A MIND FUCK SO DONT TOUCH THOSE BRAKES THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE LIKE IF YOUR DICING WITH ANOTHER RIDER YOU CAN TIGHTEN UP THE CORNER WITH THE BACK BRAKE BUT BE CAREFULL THERES NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUCCESS AND FAILURE , YOU SHOULD RIDE DIFFERENT ON THE ROAD AND THE TRACK ON THE ROAD YOU SHOULD SET UP FOR A GOOD EXIT THIS IS CAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHATS ROUND THAT CORNER, HOPE THIS MAKES SENSE I BEEN RIDING FLAT OUT FOR 20 YEARS BUT I STILL HAVE TROUBLE EXPLAING IT I JUST DO IT.
YOU COULD ALWAYS FOLLOW ME ROUND SCENIC DRIVE

[2_SL0]

I havent been riding on the road very long, last Sept/October. But I approached
the learning process (which is still going and will for many many many years) very seriously, I did a lot or reading (still do) and a lot of practise. I also had the added benefit of following a good rider and watching the lines he takes and learning from that. I followed and still do follow similar thoughts as both Zapf and Stonechucker.
1. Do all my braking before the corner.
2. Get my line right for the corner.
3. Look thru the corner.
4. Slow in fast out.
Like Stonechucker Im not the fastest man thru the corner, but I do come out the other side.
One of things they dont mention alot from what I have read is really simple and especially applies to a road like 22. If you dont know where the corner goes, SLOW DOWN TILL YOU DO.

[WINJA]

OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!! Somebody said Scenic Drive

I FUCKEN OWN SCENIC DRIVE

[justsomeguy]

I FUCKEN OWN SCENIC DRIVE

What's your time??

Titirangi Village roundabout ---- till the end -- the junction where the houses start??

[WINJA]

What's your time??

Titirangi Village roundabout ---- till the end -- the junction where the houses start??

FAST ENOUGH TO BEAT THE GUY BEHIND ME

[justsomeguy]

FAST ENOUGH TO BEAT THE GUY BEHIND ME

Serious question mate.

I know a guy who can do it in 15-20 mins. In an 85 MR2 standard 1600cc engine not supercharged.

Amateur rally driver.......been doing it for a couple of decades.

So wanted to know what a fast bike rider does it in -- incomparison.

[WINJA]

Serious question mate.

I know a guy who can do it in 15-20 mins. In an 85 MR2 standard 1600cc engine not supercharged.

Amateur rally driver.......been doing it for a couple of decades.

So wanted to know what a fast bike rider does it in -- incomparison.

IVE NEVER TIMED MY SELF, I KNOW SOME JAP CARS ARE VERY FAST THRU SOME PARTS , I HAVE RACED A VERY HOT COMMODORE TO PIHA BUT IT WAS NO CONTEST I HAD TO WAIT FOR HIM.
MY MATES GOT A HAKINEN OR MAKINEN(I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT CARS) EVO7 AND I WOULDNT RACE THAT IN THE RAIN ITS QUICK.
ON ONE OF THOSE STRAIGHTS I HAVE MY BIKE BANGING OFF THE GOVENEOR (WHICH IS SET AT 299KMH) SOMETIMES, ALAS I DONT LIVE IN AUCK ANY MORE SO ILL HAVE TO FIND NEW ROADS.

[Sensei]

ON ONE OF THOSE STRAIGHTS I HAVE MY BIKE BANGING OFF THE GOVENEOR (WHICH IS SET AT 299KMH)

Haven't you got a TRE Unit yet Winja Would have thought someone of your riding skill wouldn't have a Govened bike ?? So it is true ya aren't that fast & here I was thinking you could ride

[justsomeguy]

IVE NEVER TIMED MY SELF, I KNOW SOME JAP CARS ARE VERY FAST THRU SOME PARTS , I HAVE RACED A VERY HOT COMMODORE TO PIHA BUT IT WAS NO CONTEST I HAD TO WAIT FOR HIM.
MY MATES GOT A HAKINEN OR MAKINEN(I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT CARS) EVO7 AND I WOULDNT RACE THAT IN THE RAIN ITS QUICK.
ON ONE OF THOSE STRAIGHTS I HAVE MY BIKE BANGING OFF THE GOVENEOR (WHICH IS SET AT 299KMH) SOMETIMES, ALAS I DONT LIVE IN AUCK ANY MORE SO ILL HAVE TO FIND NEW ROADS.

His car has a 0-100 time of about 9 seconds (real world) and a top speed of around 150kmph.

The only reason he is fast is cos he can consistently take 45kmph corners at 100+ while maintaining a technical conversation on how best to make your car faster.

I know cos I've been a passenger with him. You can *catch* him at Targa Tauranga next month.