All this Newbie BULLSHIT!!!

[White trash]

Sometimes they only get one chance.

Sure do.

But if they didn't realise riding bikes was dangerous and had the very real probability of going wrong in a big way at some stage, would they even get into it?

Would you have?

[Sensei]

Let those that Ride decide be it a Newbee or Expert !

[onearmedbandit]

Experience is the best educator, not others telling you. I learnt the same way WT did, still here but minus the use of one arm. Constant reminder of my own mortality...

[Lou Girardin]

...(showing my age here) I went and bought a 6000km RGV250L from the friendly folk at Wellington Motorcycles.

I rode that fucken thing FULL NOISE everywhere. Overtaking on the left, centerline at 160+ on Hutt Rd.

Fell off it about 9 times in the six months over 12000km before the thing finally screamed "ENOUGH!" and chucked me off half way up the Ngauranga Gorge before cartwheeling and flying to bits at about 140kph.

Still here.

Leave the newbies alone, experiance is the only thing that teaches them, not boring old pricks who "know better".

While I object to the "protect people from themselves" philosophy that is so popular now, you've got to admit that the only reason you're here to post this is luck. Probably the same luck that has saved my sorry arse so often.

[Stevo]

NO Stevo, you've got me completely wrong. I AM A RATHER SLOW RIDING NEWBIE MYSELF.

All I meant to say is that newbies should only ride at a pace they are comfortable with.

They should not use other riders as a benchmark. They can look to them for guidance. But they should only measure themselves using thier past performance.

For example:

• How consciously did *I* use counter-steering at that last corner
• Did *I* focus on the vanishing point properly
• Was *I* in the right gear and speed on entry and through the corner and the exit
• Did *I* brake smoothly
• Was *I* happy with the line I took
• How smoothly did *I* perform the above?

I feel if we newbies focus on this rather than *how fast* and the tail lights of the bike in front then we should all be a lot happier.

That's my point.

My apologies to you then. I really did get where you were coming from right up the screw. I read your initial post a few times, but obviously still got it wrong.
Any how life goes on................

[ManDownUnder]

Sure do.

But if they didn't realise riding bikes was dangerous and had the very real probability of going wrong in a big way at some stage, would they even get into it?

Would you have?

Possibly not - but then as an 8 year old I didn't have the same (if any) perception of danger. I was bullet proof... you fall down - you get hurt - maybe even cry. Then you have another go!

Something worth adding to the list of things to be considered are the others around you. On the track you expect people heading in the same direction to be travelling at speed. On the road there is a similar expectation set up so if I check to turn left, no-one there and I proceed to turn left, someone flying up the inside will be run into sending both you and I down the road.

I promise to be concerned about your health and I'll help if I can, but the next day will be a different story because I'll be dragging your sorry arse through the most painful process you can imagine.

I'll want your licence cancelled

I'll want full reparation for everything I lost (including the no claims bonus I'll have lost due to you insurer not covering you on the road at 140kph)

I'll want to reclaim the interest I lost on the money I lost as it would have been paying my mortgage.

I'll want you to pay full medical expenses

I'll want you to pay for any replacement transport vehicle I need to use while I continue to work without my bike

If I am unable to work I'll want you to pay the extra 20% of my wages that ACC won't cover.

And on top of all of that - I'll be right royally pissed at you.

Don't get me wrong - I'm actually a nice guy. But I don't suffer fools, and I believe in laying the burdon on the person deserving of it.

I think I've said enough - time for a happy pill...
MDU

[scumdog]

Experience is the best educator, not others telling you. I learnt the same way WT did, still here but minus the use of one arm. Constant reminder of my own mortality...

Also you can learn from OTHERS experience and try not to make the same cock-ups they do. (If you saw your mates reaction when he pissed on a live electric fence would you go ahead and do it too just to gain 'personal' experience???)

[dangerous]

Still here.

Leave the newbies alone, experiance is the only thing that teaches them, not boring old pricks who "know better".

You like me have been bloody lucky, Flyin and a few of my mates sure as fuk wernt........... Now several riders on the Auckers ride last w/e were bloody lucky aswell a couple crossed the road which could have ended in 'bad shit'
So us 'boring old pricks' that 'know better' need to keep on the heals of the newbies.

Now I'm not giving the newbies shit here, but rather wanting to see them live too they are older than me and still injoying there mates and bikes.... case in example:
A KB ride last year ended up with a young fella taking a cruise in a meat wagon (he was lucky that he did, not in a hearse as he ended up in the bushes on the 'other' side of the rd)..... a month later he rides with KBers again, I was told that he was passing on yellows and in blind corners..... dumb fuk learnt nothing..... so if we ride togeather again..... I will be laying the law down, I "never" want to see a mate in two pieces again.

If I seem to be "picking" on the newbies...... I make no opoligies, but yes WT.... learning from experiance 'is' the best way providing ya dont die first

[Skyryder]

From what I see posted on KB is that us older riders on occasions take it upon ourselves to give advice on some aspect of riding. It should not be taken as a criticism but in the spirit the advice was given; freely and with the best of intentions from one biker to another. The bottom line here guys if you want to ride outside your limits do so on your own, (I say with tounge in cheek) but in a group ride if you try and keep up with the fastest riders just cause your ego can not handle rear-end-itis then not only are you putting your self at risk but others also. Ego's are to be left behind at the last stop. Don't try and pack it as a pillion, it's the most dangerous back seat driver around.

Skyryder

PS Dangerous Good post.

[Zapf]

I give new riders advices and shit when it is due. I do it because I would hate to see bad things happen to them.

I consider myself a reasonable rider, not great, not fast..... just getting there type. Looking back I was a N00B back August last year.... so memory of my N00B experience is still very fresh... I remember about crossing the centerline a few times, I remember OH SHIT moments on 22. All in all I am here and will be helping all those that would like a better and less accident prone new biking experience.

TS did a great job with Mr.Skid and me. Did a awesome job at leading us and showing us the lines, he could have been screaming it up the front with the boys... but he didn't. All I want is to follow on the fine examples of what KB and TS did, so everyone can have a safe and fun time.

Look I am 26 ok.... so I see both sides of where you guys are all coming from.

[justsomeguy]

I give new riders advices and shit when it is due. I do it because I would hate to see bad things happen to them.

yaa dees bsatrad haas geevum mii shaite eaps-o-thymes......

[MadDuck]

You know what the heck pees me off about this whole episode? No well I am going to tell you if you like it or not! It wasnt just new riders that got into trouble.

We had an experienced rider (Sorry SawnMan) but for frigs sake. We all make mistakes and we have one experienced rider who crashed on the same day.

Do we see the same hype and crap going on about his bin? HELL NO cos we have to trash the new riders. WTF...please someone give me a reasonable reason as to why (I say reasonable)! I dont give a toss who led the ride or who did what. We ride bikes and we have a license.

[justsomeguy]

You know what the heck pees me off about this whole episode? No well I am going to tell you if you like it or not! It wasnt just new riders that got into trouble.

We had an experienced rider (Sorry SawnMan) but for frigs sake. We all make mistakes and we have one experienced rider who crashed on the same day.

Do we see the same hype and crap going on about his bin? HELL NO cos we have to trash the new riders. WTF...please someone give me a reasonable reason as to why (I say reasonable)! I dont give a toss who led the ride or who id what. We ride bikes and we have a license.

If the riders were using their own performance as the basis of judging their pace then no one would have crashed. The reason why everyone crashed was cos they were all pushing it. Simple.

[MadDuck]

I think you missed my point JSG.

I am kinda on the level that why the heck are the newer riders getting a hard time when one of our more experienced riders made a big mistake the same day. Swanny pushed it and he has all the sympathy in the world. BUT hell accidents happen new rider or old rider. Why are we suddenly picking on our newer riders? I just dont get it

[justsomeguy]

I think you missed my point JSG.

I am kinda on the level that why the heck are the newer riders getting a hard time when one of our more experienced riders made a big mistake the same day. Swanny pushed it and he has all the sympathy in the world. BUT hell accidents happen new rider or old rider. Why are we suddenly picking on our newer riders? I just dont get it

Cos swanny knew what he was doing. The new guys didn't.


We just want to raise the general awareness among the new riders like myself. Because when you are new everything is a virgin experience and sometimes we(newbies) can get too hasty in trying to get better.