US study shows ABS ‘reduces accidents by 37%’

[Pathos]

I'll admit to be a bit anti ABS just because of the suggestion that its going to be forced on people.

I have lost traction under braking before that resulted in the bike going down. That was back on my fxr150 when trying to outbrake a suv that hadn't indicated to enter a driveway but I was following too close. ABS would have kept the bike upright but may have then hit the SUV...not sure really.

very, very true.
could you name me at least ONE case of an incident caused by abs malfunction?
not "my cousin said that once upon a time he saw someone that told him that he knew a college roommate that read that a biker..." no, please. have you seen directly an accident or read on a newspaper that an abs caused the incident?
if the unit is gone the worst thing to happen is that you have to brake without abs...

google "abs recall" too many manufacturers to list here

ABS inhibiting braking
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recal...05/gm_abs.html

ABS locking brakes
http://www.britannica.com/bps/additi...g-ABS-software

Americans are worse than the Japs of course but toyota is in real strife right now because because of their cars trying to be too clever.

funny, written on a pc....

I don't trust it for a second...full of bugs.

but when you are commuting to home, friday night, after a work week, you are tired, you are thinking about your dinner and your children, you are waving that nice blond on the car, you have maybe an headache or a cold, you are still shouting in your head with your stupid boss, there's a little fog...
will you have the exact same capacity in an emergency brake than you would in a sunny sunday track morning?
i will not...

No I wouldn't either.... will ABS fix this situation? I slow down instead.

[98tls]

Fwiw theres plenty of tests been done in bike mags where ABS equiped bikes have been outbraked by non equiped.Personally it matters little to me,traction control,Abs,fly by wire this that and everything else may be all well and good on a racetrack but in the real world no thanks its seems as much fun as a convertible car to me.

[Urano]

I'll admit to be a bit anti ABS just because of the suggestion that its going to be forced on people.

i agree. not to be mandatory: bikes are different from cars. it should be mandatory a safety drive course, and ideally a drive check every 2 years.
but in any case i'd buy it...

ABS would have kept the bike upright but may have then hit the SUV...not sure really.

so the problem is not "abs yes/abs no" but "keep the right safety distance" and position.

google "abs recall" too many manufacturers to list here

cars. shitty cars, actually...
but don't want to hide behind a finger, there are recalls for bmw bikes too.
and in our forum there are one or two cases of abs malfuction, never went in a accident. as usual i've been a bit exagerated but the end is the same, like a vaccine: not completely without risk, but way better than not to have it...

I don't trust it for a second...full of bugs.

buy a mac!
with abs...

[The Stranger:Me]

there's no real world situation which the abs is a downside in...

A relatively recent comparison of models sold both with ABS and without ABS showed that all but most BMW models with ABS took LONGER to stop than those without ABS.
No, I don't currently have a source for it, hopefully google will reveal that.
However, approaching a "T" intersection and wishing to stop in time but ABS engages is NOT good. Sure you have control of the steering and you don't lock up, but you blow straight through the intersection.
Yes, a real world experience. Screw ABS, unless I'm buying a BMW.

[Urano]

A relatively recent comparison of models sold both with ABS and without ABS showed that all but most BMW models with ABS took LONGER to stop than those without ABS.
No, I don't currently have a source for it, hopefully google will reveal that.

found it.
2003. little differences at low speed.
but also:
http://www.cycleworld.com/assets/dow...rmanceComp.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zv3Sacl7JQ
http://www.bikesafer.com/abs.html in particular: "except for true experts, operating in perfect conditions, most riders in ambient conditions will perform much better in emergency stopping with ABS"
http://motorcycle-intelligence.com/m...system-abs/37/ take a look at the oldest comment: "I teach a hundred MSF courses to 1,000 students every year. Many riders use their own motorcycle for the course. I have observed differences in how well the ABS systems work from bike to bike. BMW has the ABS system down to an art. It is not possible to stop faster because of traction limitations. Other ABS-equipped motorcycles, such as the Yamaha FJR1300ABS or Honda VFR, Gold Wing or ST1300 stop well, but in a measureably longer distance than the BMWs. But any kind of ABS is better than none in an emergency, when our brains tell our hands to grab the front brake lever, causing the front tire to lock up and the bike to low-side."

that's what i think...

[monkeymcbean]

I've got ABS on mine, I still don't feel im better off in any way as far as braking.

ABS can be a bit quirky as far as it can extend braking distances if it detects anything odd happening with the wheels, like having to use the brakes hard, over bumpy uneven asphalt can cause the abs to kick in extending braking time, sometimes just when you don't need it.

I just try to ride as per normal, keeping distances from vehicles in front and keep alert.

[SPman]

Bikes currently sold with ABS or ABS option
Aprilia

• Mana 850 GT
• Shiver 750 GT

BMW

• F650GS (Optional)
• F800GS (Optional)
• F800R (Optional)
• F800S (Optional)
• F800ST (Optional)
• HP2 Megamoto (Optional)
• HP2 Sport (Optional)
• K1300R (Optional)
• K1300S (Optional)
• K1300GT
• K1300GT SE
• R1200GS (Optional)
• R1200GS Adventure (Optional)
• R1200RT
• R1200RT SE
• R1200R (Optional)
• R1200R SE (Optional)
• S1000RR (Race ABS Optional)

Ducati

• Multistrada 1200S

Harley Davidson

• CVO Ultra Classic Electra Glide
• Electra Glide Classic (Optional)
• Electra Glide Standard (Optional)
• Electra Glide Ultra Limited
• Night Rod Special (Optional)
• Road Glide (Optional)
• Road Glide Cuom (Optional)
• Road King (Optional)
• Road King Classic (Optional)
• Road King Custom (Optional)
• Street Glide (Optional)
• Ultra Classic Electra Glide (Optional)
• V-Rod (Optional)
• V-Rod Muscle (Optional)

Honda

• CB1000R ABS
• CB1300S ABS
• CBF600S ABS
• CB600FA Hornet ABS
• CBF1000 ABS
• CBR600RR C-ABS
• CBR1000RR Fireblade C-ABS
• DN-01
• FJS600 ABS Silver Wing
• Gold Wing
• NT700V Deauville
• ST1300 ABS Pan European
• VFR800 ABS
• VFR1200F
• VT750C Shadow ABS
• XL1000V ABS Varadero
• XL700V Transalp ABS

Kawasaki

• ER-6f (Optional)
• Versys (Optional)
• VN1700 Classic Tourer
• VN1700 Voyage

Moto Guzzi

• Norge 1200

Suzuki

• GSX1250FA
• Bandit 650SA
• Bandit 1250SA/Z
• Bandit 1250GT
• Burgman 650 Executive
• Burgman 400ZA
• V-Strom 650GT/A

Triumph

• Rocket III Roadster/Touring
• Sprint ST
• Thunderbird (Optional)
• Tiger/ SE

Victory

• Vision Tour

Yamaha

• Fazer8 ABS
• FZ1 ABS
• FZ1 Fazer ABS
• FJR1300 Standard
• FJR1300 Electric Shift Standard
• XJ6 ABS
• XJ6 Diversion ABS
• XJ6 Diversion F ABS

[Devil]

A relatively recent comparison of models sold both with ABS and without ABS showed that all but most BMW models with ABS took LONGER to stop than those without ABS..

I'm guessing that comparison is well out of date with the rate that bike ABS systems are evolving. I was reading a test of the latest K1300S with abs and in every situation it was outbraking the bike magazines benchmark Daytona 675. Same situation with the S1000R, new fireblade etc.

Criticism's were justified just a few years ago, but now, with the latest generation ABS systems you'd be hard pressed to beat an ABS bike in a real world test.

[Brian d marge]

Bikes currently sold with ABS or ABS option
Aprilia

• Mana 850 GT
• Shiver 750 GT

BMW


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Bsa used Anti lock brakes on most of the Bantam range , and I must say it did reduce injury accident quite a bit

Stephen

[p.dath]

I think some brands of bikes have an ABS system that is still in development (aka, needs more "work"), but on the whole, I'd like my next bike to have ABS and integrated braking.

[bogan]

toyota is in real strife right now because because of their cars trying to be too clever.

actually it had very little to do with the 'cleverness' it was a mechanical jam-up in the throttle pedal bit, fixed by simply shimming it out a bit I believe.

I agree the study does not show that ABS reduces accident by 37%, it merely shows riders of bike with ABS have 37% fewer accidents.

But I'd have one with abs, I just trust the electronics to do a better job of braking than I could, though maybe its cos I'm an electronics engineer

[Nonbeliever]

22% less premium? I doubt it somehow.
Insurance pirates

[gunnyrob]

I've got ABS on the mighty GS & it's saved my arse. Think what you like, but I'm sticking with it from now on.....