Health Freedom New Zealand

[Pixie]

I'll sell her some expensive water.Get her to PM me.

[Indoo]

The MOH document looks very mild, well thought out and reasonable. Sent off a submission in full support.

I can see why the naturopaths etc are so opposed to it though, god forbid they be forced to actually substantiate or have even a smidgen of evidence to back up claims they make that directly and seriously impact upon peoples Health.

I would say this part is what they fear the most..

"The applicant would be required to confirm that they were holding the appropriate evidence to support each of the selected claims"

Looks like seperating money from fools is going to become a little bit harder.

[oldrider]

The MOH document looks very mild, well thought out and reasonable. Sent off a submission in full support.

I can see why the naturopaths etc are so opposed to it though, god forbid they be forced to actually substantiate or have even a smidgen of evidence to back up claims they make that directly and seriously impact upon peoples Health.

I would say this part is what they fear the most..

"The applicant would be required to confirm that they were holding the appropriate evidence to support each of the selected claims"

Looks like seperating money from fools is going to become a little bit harder.

The same can be said for the drug company driven medical profession and is quite obvious to those who have not been brainwashed by them!

Thank goodness my own medical practitioner is interested in "whole" health and can identify the wood from the trees!

[Ixion]

Submission lodged.

Resolutely opposed


I am surprised and disappointed that the Greens would lend their name to such a thing.

[rainman]

and as you know, some think it a total crock... I can't believe it's a total crock for 1 reason... You sting yourself with nettles and the "cure" grows right next to it...

If that was related to my earlier comment, don't misunderstand. I will be submitting against this change, and don't for a minute believe conventional medicine has all the answers.

there's something to be said for Homeopathy...

Yeah, lots of things, none of them complimentary. Homoeopathy is inconsistent even with itself. 30C dilutions have no active ingredient left, and the claim of "water memory" makes no sense. How come it only remembers the good stuff? The only way it works is the placebo effect.

Not a reason to ban it, of course.

If the claim about the product is false, they already have zillions of laws to prosecute the seller. If the claim is vague ie this "may help" then if it works for you, go for it.

Indeed, people should have the right to choose their own medication regimes, even if these don't work, or more like it, if others think they won't. And crooks and charlatans should be prosecuted (although there are a fair few of those in a number of industries, we may be busy for a while).

I know this from when they shoved a camera up my arse. it cost me $40k to be told i have irritable bowel syndrome, and then FINALLY put me on losec, which stopped all the severe reflux. IBS, which you WILL be told is caused by excessive stress in your life, is diagnosed to those people whom doctors cant be fucked figuring out what you really have.

Losec is an easy prescription, as are statins and a few other things popular with GPs (do they get commissions from moving these?). Next time you're in a group of middle-aged people, ask how many are on Losec (now Opemprazole), Lipex, etc. You may be surprised to find most of them are.

And BTW, having been on Losec long-term (ulcers) and weaned myself off of it completely, it is possible to fix some things without band-aid medicines. Diet, exercise, and mental attitude are a huge part of being a happy healthy human.

I am surprised and disappointed that the Greens would lend their name to such a thing.

I had not noticed that. Me too.

[mashman]

If that was related to my earlier comment, don't misunderstand. I will be submitting against this change, and don't for a minute believe conventional medicine has all the answers.

Dunno... sorry I can't be arsed going back to check either. I wouldn't have been having a swing... over what . I wouldn't believe that for a minute... if only because we all have different physiologies... but no, nothing to see here

[davereid]

Yeah, lots of things, none of them complimentary. Homoeopathy is inconsistent even with itself. 30C dilutions have no active ingredient left, and the claim of "water memory" makes no sense. How come it only remembers the good stuff? The only way it works is the placebo effect. Not a reason to ban it, of course.

I have a customer who pedals these products. There is a generous sized sign on the wall that proclaims "many of these products are unproven by science, but large number of people report success.." or word to that effect.

But I think his clients get good value. They go to the Doctor, get an 8 minute appointment which includes 3 minutes to pay the bill. They get prescribed a "proven" medication , then are pushed out the factory door.

But the herbalist invites the customer in. They get a cup of revolting green tea, and a chat about their health, with someone who professes to genuinely care. Their iris is compared to the ancient chart, the palm is intently studied, and after a second cup of tea they are on their way. Wallet lightened, but feeling well cared for, and clutching a paper bag with some magic in it.

It may be the placebo effect. It may just be a cup of tea with someone interested in spending some time considering your health.

But a lot of people are very happy with their Quacks. Its not consumers knocking on the door of the ministry demanding it be sorted.