I want to make a complaint

[scumdog]

Imagine an over zealous cop filling out his quota there. Oh that's right, there is no such thing as an over zealous cop!!

Of course there is - just above overzealous motorbike salesmen in the popularity stakes!!!

[crazylittleshit]

This is all so confusin...................................

[Lou Girardin]

Of course there is - just above overzealous motorbike salesmen in the popularity stakes!!!

Bike salemen are top of the charts, well actually just behind accessory salesmen.
They sell dreams, youth, nostalgia.

How far do you have to travel to find a roundabout to sit at?

[scumdog]

Bike salemen are top of the charts, well actually just behind accessory salesmen.
They sell dreams, youth, nostalgia.

How far do you have to travel to find a roundabout to sit at?

Roundabouts? Hmm, aren't they things you have in cities where there is traffic congestion and gormless drivers etc?

(Looks in map book)

About 85km away - and the boss won't let me go that far!

Besides, I only visit cities to remind me how bad they really are.

[Skyryder]

What the hell is wrong with people in this country? Suddenly there's confusion about a rule that's been in the Road Code for 20 years. Even a newbie about to do his test publicly asks about the indicating rule. If you don't know it at the point, you're in trouble. No bloody wonder we're the equivalent of Turkey in driving standards.
One sure way to reduce congestion would be to bring in licence retesting, that'll surely put half our drivers off the road.

You want to send that idea to Gearge Hawkins. I'm sure he will find some way to gather revinue from it. The roundabout law is not about road safety. It is simply another means of gathering revinue. To me it is common sense that if a vehicle is not indicating it is not turning. But no the LTSA have decreed other wise. On roundabouts you must indicate when going straingt ahead. As for our driving strandards being on par with Turkey that might have something to do with Turkeys making the rules.

Skyryder

[zooter]

*sigh*

Come on guys, we'd best give up. Some people just like being outraged.

P.S. Oh, and like Lou, I was trying to address your issues- but you won't listen. I work at LTSA and have spoken to colleagues to make sure I've got my facts right for you; the cops will not- and this is a matter of policy- be sitting on mini roundabouts waiting for you to stuff up.

Actually I'd like to see a few cops sitting on miniroudabouts and dishing up education to the dorks that indicate right before going straight through, also the ones that fail to indicate their right turn. Even better something on the TV news about the appalling failure to apply simple, logical, intuitive rules.

And ticketing a tailgater an hour instead of a speeder would bring down the accident rate a lot faster. Cops need to lift their game on this one too, I regularly see cop cars tailgating.

But seriously, where do I go to complain??

[jazbug5]

LTNZ (the artist formerly known as LTSA).
If you can wait until Monday, I'll find out exactly who/what dept.

[What?]

Well, it's an LTNZ issue. I'd say you want to contact them.

Waste of time... I did, but the problem I had was that to convey my message I had to use actual words, rather than neanderthal grunts. This, of course, meant that the LTNZ staff had no idea what I meant.
My point, however, is that indicating a right turn at a roundabout contradicts the legal definition of a right turn...

[Skyryder]

Oh that's right, there is no such thing as an over zealous cop!!

Or a quota.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Waste of time... I did, but the problem I had was that to convey my message I had to use actual words, rather than neanderthal grunts. This, of course, meant that the LTNZ staff had no idea what I meant.
My point, however, is that indicating a right turn at a roundabout contradicts the legal definition of a right turn...

How do you mean ?. A turn is a change in direction, no more no less. As in you signal right if changing lanes even though you're not "turning".

Think about it this way. Imagine the roundabout was replaced by a straight forward intersection. You come up to it and want to go off down the street on the right. So you indicate right, right ?

Now put in the roundabout. As you approach it you still want to ride off down the street on the right. So indicate right. BUT - now you can't actually immediately get to the street on the right, you have to ride a little way round this curvey bit of road. So ride around (signalling right, cos that's still the road you want to drive off down). Now your exit road is coming up, so you want to drive off down it. But to do so you must change direction . If you don't change direction you'll end up driving round and round the roundabout in circles forever. So , as you are changing direction, you must signal, And you are changing toward the left so you signal left. Which is also a courtesy to the traffic waiting to come OUT of your exit road, they know they can pull out.

I dont see the problem with any of this and by and large it's what I and I think most folk have done for years.

It's only on small roundabouts (which incidentally I hate anyway, why ARE Transit so obsessed with making EVERY intersection into a roundabout ?) that the lack of time to do everything becomes an issue - especially the ones where going straight through you don't curve at all, just go straight across.

[What?]

The legal definition of a right turn is to cross the centre line - thus going "striaght ahead" at an intersection where the centreline veers left is legally a right turn.
The centreline in a roundabout is a circle in the middle of the roundabout, therefore, unless you are planning to move onto the island, a right turn on a roundabout is not technically possible.
In short, once on a roundabout, the only possible turn is left to get off it (or a right if you are changing lanes).

[WINJA]

AS EVERYONE KNOWS I HATE COPS AND ANDY KNACKSTEAD AND THE LTSA, BUT WHEN I SAW ANDY KNACKSTEAD IN A CAR ON TV EXPLAINING IT AND SHOWING IT IN PRACTICE IT MADE SENSE TO ME AND I CAN SEE THE SAFETY ASPECT , IM HAPPY TO GIVE IT A GO IT WILL BE WORTH IT IF EVEN ONE OF US IS NOT KNOCKED OFF OUR BIKES

[Hitcher]

AS EVERYONE KNOWS I HATE COPS AND ANDY KNACKSTEAD AND THE LTSA, BUT WHEN I SAW ANDY KNACKSTEAD IN A CAR ON TV EXPLAINING IT AND SHOWING IT IN PRACTICE IT MADE SENSE TO ME AND I CAN SEE THE SAFETY ASPECT , IM HAPPY TO GIVE IT A GO IT WILL BE WORTH IT IF EVEN ONE OF US IS NOT KNOCKED OFF OUR BIKES

Humour AND reason in the same afternoon? Was that a flock of flying pigs I just saw flap past?

[scumdog]

Humour AND reason in the same afternoon? Was that a flock of flying pigs I just saw flap past?

And oyvay!, such grammar as I've never seen!!

[zooter]

Waste of time... I did, but the problem I had was that to convey my message I had to use actual words, rather than neanderthal grunts. This, of course, meant that the LTNZ staff had no idea what I meant.
My point, however, is that indicating a right turn at a roundabout contradicts the legal definition of a right turn...

So you would be one of the other dawks that crosses my bows with no indication as I'm about to pull on to the rounabout???

Go Winja, if it wasn't for the caps you'd think you had a "reasoning infusion"