Police killing us again!

[Katman]

but that's a guess where as we know if the cop hadn't pulled the u-turn he definitely would have.

Are you another motorcyclist who can't stop within 120 metres from 100kph?

You and Scuba Steve make a lovely couple.

[Scuba_Steve]

Are you another motorcyclist who can't stop within 120 metres from 100kph?

You and Scuba Steve make a lovely couple.

Originally Posted by The IPCA crash investigator
The crash investigator concluded: “Calculations show any speed above 101 km/h may have been too fast for Mr Brown to stop his vehicle within the
distance between first viewpoint and impact area.”

...Anytime you want to prove yourself Katman

[oneofsix]

Are you another motorcyclist who can't stop within 120 metres from 100kph?

You and Scuba Steve make a lovely couple.

The investigator said that at 101 k and he couldn't have stopped in time, the was the police investigator as well so not exactly independent. Also circumstances play a part, the factor or "you must be joking" reaction that slows the braking reaction. Either way it say it was the wrong place to pull a u turn.

Well thank you but you and White Trash make a nicer couple with your refusal to believe any blame could be anywhere other than on the biker.

[Katman]

...Anytime you want to prove yourself Katman

Refer post #1982.

[White trash]

Well thank you but you and White Trash make a nicer couple with your refusal to believe any blame could be anywhere other than on the biker.

Didn't say that. Trying to put forward a different point of view on a public forum is all. Bad decisions were made, some people paid a higher price than others. That's not to say constable dibble hasn't paid a fairly hefty price in the daily knowledge he alone paid the deciding part in another man losing his life.

[Katman]

...Anytime you want to prove yourself Katman

Try an experiment yourself.

Place two marker cones 120 metres apart.

Ride at 100kph and at the first cone start emergency braking.

When you've stopped, check out the distance between you and the second cone. That is the distance you have available for your reaction time.

[Scuba_Steve]

Refer post #1982.

your point??? it was written by a gang member, all gangs "look out for their own" which effectively means he was fucked at 100km/h too

so, refer again post #2087

[Scuba_Steve]

Try an experiment yourself.

Place two marker cones 120 metres apart.

Ride at 100kph and at the first cone start emergency braking.

When you've stopped, check out the distance between you and the second cone. That is the distance you have available for reaction time.

that is a controlled stop, we have been through this. Try to remember...

[MarkH]

What do you do for a living Morris? I only ask because when I'm "on the job" my mind is generally committed to doing my job to the best of my abilities. If you were a enforcement officer, on traffic patrol and a vehicle heading in the opposite direction hooned past at 150kph +, would you not think that it needed to be stopped? 150 kays isn't an indiscretion, it's hauling.

The real question I have here is what is his job? Is it to dish out tickets at any expense? Is it to do what he can to improve the safety for all motorists?

It always strikes me that the police are claiming the 2nd thing, but the 1st one appears to be the reality. They say "safety first" with their words, but their actions suggest that giving out tickets is priority number one and safety can go get fucked.

Sorry, you no one knows what is over that blind crest. Two bad decisions were made that day, unfortunately someone paid with their life.

And the other paid with a $250 fine. It doesn't seem right that the penalty for a road safety professional guilty of making a mistake which lead to the loss of a life wasn't something a bit more in keeping with what you or I would expect for a mistake with such a serious consequence, from someone that we should expect better from.

My idea of leniency would have been something like $2500 fine & 3 months loss of license. I would consider that a very lenient judgement indeed, but maybe reasonably fair in this case. A $250 fine just doesn't come close to justice appearing to be done, IMO.

[Katman]

that is a controlled stop, we have been through this. Try to remember...

You're not very bright, are you?

The first part of it is a controlled stop. The distance you have left in front of you to the second cone is the distance in which you would have time to think "Fuck, hit the brakes!!!"

[Scuba_Steve]

You're not very bright, are you?

The first part of it is a controlled stop. The distance you have left in front of you to the second cone is the distance you have in which you would have time to think "Fuck, hit the brakes!!!"

the stopping in itself is different between a "panic" state & a complete "calm" state so you could not guarantee in a "panic" state thats how much time you have to react.

[Katman]

the stopping in itself is different between a "panic" state & a complete "calm" state so you could not guarantee in a "panic" state thats how much time you have to react.

Yes you can, you clown.

Once the braking has started, the braking distance covered is the same whether started from a "calm" state or a "paniced" state.

The distance left over is the distance you can be as paniced as you like in.

[PrincessBandit]

the stopping in itself is different between a "panic" state & a complete "calm" state so you could not guarantee in a "panic" state thats how much time you have to react.

One of the reasons why emergency braking should be practiced. Sure, it's not done "in a state of panic", but the whole purpose is so that if practiced often enough then reflexes kick in and execute it automatically.

I'm surprised that people are still squabbling over the whole "the police haven't paid/learnt" thing. At the end of the day I agree - the end result seems very lenient in light of the outcome; but travesties of justice are committed every day in New Zealand in all sectors of business. Some people get dealt a shit deal in life, others who "deserve" to have the book thrown at them come out smelling like roses.

Continuing to beat your breast and stamp your foot and throw your tanty, ain't gonna change things - probably won't even stop it happening again in the future. As motorcyclists if we can't ride defensively and expect everyone/everything else on the road to watch out for us sooner or later we'll end up in a pine box.

[spookytooth]

It is a pitty they never charged the cop with drawing on a wall.He would have got jail time for that

[Katman]

Those of you who are focused solely on the idea that "SOMEONE MUST PAY!!!!" are missing the point entirely.

None of us can control what the police do. None of us can control what any other road user does.

We can only control what we do.