Police killing us again!

[Parlane]

How you know your sister and friends have fake IDs is because she is your sister maybe and you aren't have to check hundreds of id in dim light nor are you checking the ids whilst being hassled for delay the little darling access to the pub. Where is your responsibility to your sister by the way???

They aren't in the service of getting people drunk, in fact they get heavily fined a criticized for having drunks on the premises. There problem is people turning up already nearly drunk, holding it together just long enough to get past the bouncer. Does your sister and/or her friends know the best breath mints or whatever to cover the smell of booze as well?

My sister doesn't have a fake id, her friends do. My responsibility to her? I took her to the pub for her 18th birthday and had a drink with her.
There was a pub brawl that night, how exciting for her first pub visit! Haha.

They may not be in the service for getting people drunk, but they are in the service for selling drinks. The more they can sell on average to one person, the more they make for that night. (A good reason they don't let drunk people in other than their legal requirement not to do so of course. Drunk people don't tend to buy many more drinks.)

[Parlane]

I hear what you're saying but to prosecute every one of those people with false IDs would require two full time staff doing just that and nothing else.

Also, prosecuting 16/17 year olds just wouldn't be "cool". A fraud charge would probably affect them in life more than the punishment should be.

Suitable punishment:

Cop drives them home and has a lovely chat with the parents. If the parents don't care, then there is pretty much nothing that can be done.

[Deano]

Pubs etc should be held more responisble. (IMO)

Not necessarily - people should take more responsibilty for themselves. (Yes I agree that some pubs are not good operators and a lot of bouncers are arseholes)

A licensee can be prosecuted for allowing an intoxicated person to be on the premises.

But can the intoxicated person be charged ? No - not unless disorderly.

How is the culture of drinking in NZ expected to change when there is no personal responsibility ?

[scumdog]

Not necessarily - people should take more responsibilty for themselves. (Yes I agree that some pubs are not good operators and a lot of bouncers are arseholes)

A licensee can be prosecuted for allowing an intoxicated person to be on the premises.

But can the intoxicated person be charged ? No - not unless disorderly.

How is the culture of drinking in NZ expected to change when there is no personal responsibility ?

Bring back Drunk in a Public Place

[Parlane]

Not necessarily - people should take more responsibilty for themselves. (Yes I agree that some pubs are not good operators and a lot of bouncers are arseholes)

A licensee can be prosecuted for allowing an intoxicated person to be on the premises.

But can the intoxicated person be charged ? No - not unless disorderly.

How is the culture of drinking in NZ expected to change when there is no personal responsibility ?

I regret my original comment on the matter. I said *more* responsible. As in not fully, but they should be doing *more* to help intoxicated people before they leave the premises *alone*.
Personally I think you should already have your way home organised (money for a cab or have a friend (or ya mum) drop you home). The tv ads were pretty good (playing stupid games to work out sober driver).

And you probably shouldn't be at a pub by yourself anyway.. Tag team yo!

[oneofsix]

Also, prosecuting 16/17 year olds just wouldn't be "cool". A fraud charge would probably affect them in life more than the punishment should be.

Suitable punishment:

Cop drives them home and has a lovely chat with the parents. If the parents don't care, then there is pretty much nothing that can be done.

+1 first statement. clip around the ear and sent them home ops: clipping them around the ear is illegal as is the boot up the backside

But why should they be provided with the tax payer funded taxi service? If the parent care they can call them as they all have cellphones these days. Or they can go home the way they were going to originally, again, where are there so called friends?

As Deano said,

How is the culture of drinking in NZ expected to change when there is no personal responsibility ?

[Scuba_Steve]

Bring back Drunk in a Public Place

Thats every Thurs, Fri, Sat up here, plenty of people drunk in a public place

[Parlane]

Bring back Drunk in a Public Place

Either A) you are asking for more drunks in public places.

Or B) you are asking for a law that I didn't know had been removed to be reinstated.

Isn't it called drunk & disorderly ? Or just disordely behaviour in general?

(Not all drunks are problems in public places! I'm a very nice drunk )

[Parlane]

+1 first statement. clip around the ear and sent them home ops: clipping them around the ear is illegal as is the boot up the backside

But why should they be provided with the tax payer funded taxi service? If the parent care they can call them as they all have cellphones these days. Or they can go home the way they were going to originally, again, where are there so called friends?

As Deano said,

Good point. Tax them then!
A ticket, no demerits, just a fine to cover cost of dropping them home. And because the parents are responsible they should be the ones paying it?

Parents would then obviously make their kids pay it...

But police are here to serve the public too. Not just enforce. (I thought)

[oneofsix]

this has got really off the topic and onto another interesting debate.

Scumdog are you serious that it is no longer an offense to be drunk and disorderly in a public place? That sucks. Did it get wrapped in with offensive behaviour, i.e. streaking at the RWC?

[Parlane]

this has got really off the topic and onto another interesting debate.

Just shows that the OP of this topic was 100% wrong with not starting a new thread haha.

[Zedder]

Good point. Tax them then!
A ticket, no demerits, just a fine to cover cost of dropping them home. And because the parents are responsible they should be the ones paying it?

Parents would then obviously make their kids pay it...

But police are here to serve the public too. Not just enforce. (I thought)

"Safer communities together."

[Scuba_Steve]

Just shows that the OP of this topic was 100% wrong with not starting a new thread haha.

yea maybee I should have started one "Booze & the responsibility that lies with it"

[oneofsix]

Good point. Tax them then!
A ticket, no demerits, just a fine to cover cost of dropping them home. And because the parents are responsible they should be the ones paying it?

Parents would then obviously make their kids pay it...

But police are here to serve the public too. Not just enforce. (I thought)

New form of party bus goes around collecting the drunks and under aged and dropping them home.
No reason they couldn't have a 'holding area' in the CBD so they only have to do one or two drop-off runs. Actually the holding area could be a problem as it might be seen to be false arrest so might require some adjustments to the laws and that involve politicians so is likely to get screwed up. Bugger!

[willytheekid]

14yrs I worked in and ran bars & nightclubs around NZ......loved the Job right up till they lowered the drinking age!
I walked away from that career due to my own morals telling me selling alcohol to KIDS! was wrong, I could see the industry changing for the worse....and having all the drunk children spitting in my face, swinging at me etc....Just for running a clean bar & following the letter of the law!...enough was enough.
Was quiet amazed at the "circle of friends" in Chch city council looking after their mates bars while they ran illegal promotions etc such as $1 drinks or free ladys drinks etc....complained like hell and got no where!
Still, at least I walked away with the best LLA CCC & Police bar report my boss had seen in 30yrs!
Its no wonder we have a drinking problem in NZ!...just no bloody morals left nowdays

(For the record...RockyCola cafe....before that idiot from shooters bought the place and screwed all my hard work keeping up standards....I do miss talking to sarg tho)