Police killing us again!

[Pixie]

Allowing adrenaline & excitement to take control of their senses is dangerous. These people are "trained professionals" (I use that term EXTREMELY LOOSELY), PAID to take control of situations in a cool, calm and SAFE manner - in their line of work - out of control adrenaline & excitement is fatal!

My sympathies are with his family and friends!

Just imagine if they ever become ARMED

[Pixie]

It's still not the cops fault for killing someone unless the police vehicle has a collision with another vehicle. If cops didn't chase criminals, then every second criminal would be robbing banks all day long knowing that they won't get caught. Vehicle theft would increase dramatically as well, as would almost every other crime. Murderers, rapists and kiddy fiddlers would have a field day. Great idea isn't it!

Such bullshit!
The cops recently caught a gang of 5 bank and jewelery store robbers.No chase was involved,just investigation and early morning visits to where the crims lived.

As for: "It's still not the cops fault for killing someone unless the police vehicle has a collision with another vehicle." - If I goad psych patients into jumping off tall buildings,am I in anyway responsible for their deaths?

[FROSTY:Me]

they started damage control early: every press release mentions this rider as a "former racer", thereby starting the meme that he was bound to be speeding.
I wonder if the car had been hit by a young mother would they say: Jane Doe,former show-jumper....

Or suggests as it does to me that he's not some red misted knob jockey out for a hoon but is a rider of some experience

[Spearfish]

OMG, isn't the whole "ride as though you do NOT know what is just outside of your line of vision" thing being forgotten here? How often do we drive or ride (yes, those of us who ride are just as guilty of doing this) assuming that the road ahead, which we can't actually see, is clear of any obstacles. It only takes tiredness, distraction, cockiness, blinking to get a grain of dust outta ya eyes and all sorts of things can go down the toilet fast. Everyone is in the same boat; and if you're het up about the more serious consequences for bike riders, get off two wheels. (ps spearfish, that last comment wasn't aimed at you, it just happened to be in my reply following your qoute, not personal to you).[/QUOTE]

I think you made the point my ramblings fumbled.
If we are all honest there are times we ride a path that we think should be there, rather than one we know is there.

[candor]

No trend huh? Good on Dom post
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...rs-review-call
But as I said before we had this review - in October 2009.

[marty]

Has the driver of the ute come forward yet?

[Pixie]

Email sent to Joyce and Collins:


Dear Ministers

When will you ensure police officers have the skills and intelligence to drive safely on New Zealand roads and not just act like dogs that have spotted a rabbit?

Or will you just put up the ACC levy on motorcycle licenses to cover the cost of the motorcyclist killed by the police officer this weekend?

Yours sincerely

Pixie

[Mom]

Has the driver of the ute come forward yet?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10639521

[rachprice]

Or suggests as it does to me that he's not some red misted knob jockey out for a hoon but is a rider of some experience

I too have the same thoughts, but unfortunately for the people that don't ride probably don't have the same insight

I wasn't too impressed with the old geezer saying 'I heard a bike go past and thought shit thats going fast!', heard??? You can not say definitively from noise that he was speeding. And its been said a million times but 'he has done this maneouvre a thousand times' (or something like that), what? over yellow lines??? then he definitely needs to be off our roads

Its vehicular manslaughter, while it may be a mistake, it is a mistake that has cost a life, while he may not have meant to do that, people need to be punished so they don't do idiotic things like that ever again.

[MSTRS:Me]

This last incident involved a cop doing a u-turn on double yellow lines and just before the crest of a hill??

From what I saw on the TELLY, not only did he do a stupid manoeuvre in a dumb fucking place ,HE ALSO IGNORED THEDOUBLE YELLOW LINES.......

... it is illegal to overtake on a double yellow line maybe the police standards committe should create rules like no u turns on double yellow lines with out 100 metres clear visibility? that would have avoided the accident maybe

... over a double yellow line on a narrow country road...

Not double yellow. Only on the uphill side. The side the cops was on prior to trying his turn manouevre.
What's all the palaver about double yellows, anyway? The ONLY important one to remember is the one on YOUR side of the median line.

[Bass]

Well, despite having to take evasive action, you managed to walk away with "a hell of a fright". I'm sure the police do have strict U-turn rules, but like any other driver on the road can make poor choices which also end tragically for other people. I love how people here seem to think that the police should be incapable of making the same kinds of road errors that mere mortals do frequently.

This immediately begs the question as to whether the Police should be held to higher standards than Joe Public. There is a logical case that it should be so.

You can not say definitively from noise that he was speeding..

Actually, you can do exactly that! I have used the sonic doppler shift for speed measurements and it's surprisingly accurate. Note that it's not the exhaust note that matters - it's the change in the note as the emitter goes past.
It is not difficult to tell when the sound source is grossly exceeding a speed that one is accustomed to hearing

[Big Dave]

23 pages of dross,

You added nearly half a page.

[Ronin]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10639521

That look to me like the worst shot int the dark reporting ever.

[scracha]

So just because the "witness" doesn't fit with how you'd like the facts to be you just slag him off? Were you in the vicinity yourself to verify that this "witness" is talking shit?

The only real undeniable facts so far are that the ute was pinged at a fair rate of knots and a motorcyclist died. Having just flew past the guy, I thought it strange that he never said "I heard this Ute coming and thought, ‘Wow, that’s travelling fast,’ "
Now perception is a funny thing and as no other facts have yet came out, I didn't think it appropriate for the telly "news" to air Frank Wilkin's opinion.

[Mudfart]

in NZ there is a mentality when some motorists use the road, of "there's very little chance of something coming the other way".
I have been in a car which was a short ride, where the owner driver was cutting blind corners, on completely the wrong side of the road.
It was the scariest car ride Ive ever had.
He has been driving for 6 years since that day, and still continues with the same attitude. He comes from an extremely rural area, the kind where people get drunk at the local, then can go do burnouts or have drags in the middle of the night on a main coastal highway!.
I bet you all know a place in the country like that.
The difference now is, he is living in Auckland. One day this lazy attitude to driving will catch up to him.
Unfortunately, and to give his ignorance credit, it will also catch up to some unsuspecting innocent person or family too.
Notice this tragedy was in a rural setting also. The coppers seem to have developed the same lazy driving approach "Im not in a major city, so theres very little chance of something coming the other way".
Well, something did.