Police killing us again!

[trustme]

There was no gateway for tankers to pull out of where the crash happend (one could reasonably assume if he was speeding he slowed for such higher risk areas), and a tractor or other slow moving vehicle could have been seen going over the brow of the hill from a distance.

And you didn't answer my (i forgot the ? actually, but it was implied) question, do you think putting motorists at risk is worth catching a speeder? (your posts imply you do, but I'd like clarification)

I am speaking generically of that road in general not that exact spot, the same could be said of Falls Rd which I deduce from the reports they had just travelled along. The cop undoubtedly showed extremely poor judgement
I sincerely hope that the cops do reaximne their procedure to stop such tragedies happening again
Unfortunately far to many motorcyclists seem to have a belief that it is their god given right to travel at what ever speed they
choose , wherever they choose & when it goes pear shaped it is everyone elses fault.
The real tragedy is a life has been wasted & the majority of motorcyclists transfer all blame to the copper & learn nothing.

[terbang]

Had the rider been riding at the legal speed limit I think he would have had every chance of stopping

Sheesh...
There were ya, radar gun in yer back pocket as well?
Are you trying to tell us that if all of us were to stick to the speed limit, then it would be OK for cops to do 3 pointers on the brow of a hill on a narrow country road?

Fair bit of fact and speculation mixed here:

Fact: Cop doing a U or three pointer on a blind hill brow..
Speculation: Motorcyclist was speeding.

[Indoo]

well blotted over recent years with many very public corruption (remember Clint and his mates?)

Can you provide some more of these many very examples of public corruption outside of the one 24 years ago that you keep on quoting?

Maybe your getting us confused with Australia.

[trustme]

I don't defend the cop , they need to review procedure. By the same token the rider is not blameless. Like I said before there has been a small group of local riders who rode a high speed on the local roads. 160 kph wheelies were common place [ their own speed estimate as the bike was more stable at that speed ] . Getting airborne over the humps was standard practice. One local had reservations about backing out of the drive in case one of the bikes came past as there was not time to see them .It is not hard to join the dots. The locals will support their own at this time but they are certainly not uncritical. I am not a local but have a very good friend who is & who has voiced his concerns to me on several occasions.

[rastuscat]

...Fair bit of fact and speculation mixed here:

Fact: Cop doing a U or three pointer on a blind hill brow..
Speculation: Motorcyclist was speeding.

Amen. It was surely a bad place to do a U-turn.

[bogan]

I am speaking generically of that road in general not that exact spot, the same could be said of Falls Rd which I deduce from the reports they had just travelled along. The cop undoubtedly showed extremely poor judgement
I sincerely hope that the cops do reaximne their procedure to stop such tragedies happening again

Agreed.

Unfortunately far to many motorcyclists seem to have a belief that it is their god given right to travel at what ever speed they
choose , wherever they choose & when it goes pear shaped it is everyone elses fault.
The real tragedy is a life has been wasted & the majority of motorcyclists transfer all blame to the copper & learn nothing.

Taking a leaf out of indoo's book here, do you have any figures to support your claim that bikers speed more than cars?

[Goblin]

Can you provide some more of these many very examples of public corruption outside of the one 24 years ago that you keep on quoting?

Maybe your getting us confused with Australia.

How about the incidents of cops being D.I.C. and their dubious ways of getting off, cop getting free sex with a prostitute by using his position of authority, the recent pepper spraying incident where the guy was handcuffed in a cell, beaten and sprayed, the Dunedin cop with the beastiality porn, some of the well publicised dubious convictions, Dougherty, Watson, Bain, Thomas etc...I could gould go on but you get the picture.

[Pixie]

who are they and what do they do, I'll voice my concerns, but better to put it into context.

Collins : Minister for Police
Joyce: Minister of Everthing -includes Transport

[nsrpaul]

MoT and Police

emails sent fom me!!!

[Pixie]

How about the incidents of cops being D.I.C. and their dubious ways of getting off, cop getting free sex with a prostitute by using his position of authority, the recent pepper spraying incident where the guy was handcuffed in a cell, beaten and sprayed, the Dunedin cop with the beastiality porn, some of the well publicised dubious convictions, Dougherty, Watson, Bain, Thomas etc...I could gould go on but you get the picture.

Back in the '70s,a mate who was in the army told me how they would go to the cops to get confiscated porn for their stag parties

[Indoo]

How about the incidents of cops being D.I.C. and their dubious ways of getting off

Do you really think cops would be breathtesting other cops, let alone charging them and bringing them before the courts in a corrupt force? They got off because of the poorly written and easily exploited laws we have around drink driving,

cop getting free sex with a prostitute by using his position of authority

Yep he was corrupt, but again was charged and convicted by his peers. In corrupt Police forces how many prostitutes would dare complain?

the recent pepper spraying incident where the guy was handcuffed in a cell, beaten and sprayed

You might argue thats Police brutality, even though a jury of peers after watching the tapes stated it wasn't, but it certainly isn't corruption.

Dougherty, Watson, Bain, Thomas etc...

You have a point with Thomas however many years ago that was now, but the others nah and including Bain in that list

It's the nature of the beast that you are going to get some corrupt cops, just as you are going to get some doctors who abuse drugs or sleep with patients, some teachers who have improper relationships with students etc etc....

And that should pretty much refocus the bashers...

[onearmedbandit]

Back in the '70s,a mate who was in the army told me how they would go to the cops to get confiscated porn for their stag parties

Times were a lot harder before the 'net eh.

[bogan]

Times were a lot harder before the 'net eh.

or less so, if you know what I mean...

[Mr Merde]

....It's the nature of the beast that you are going to get some corrupt cops, just as you are going to get some doctors who abuse drugs or sleep with patients, some teachers who have improper relationships with students etc etc....

This is the whole point.

We shouldnt.

Those that are there to enforce the laws passed by the government should at first adhere to them.

How can they not do so and then for the sake of $$$ expect us to.

How can the management of the police department not identify these people and get rid of them

I'm not a religous person but the following should apply.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

As a taxpaying member of the great majority who afford these people the opportunity to have a career in the police force I expect no less.

[candor]

Hi Caleb, sorry about this unnecessary tragedy. For those who're too remote to come is there a bank account where small koha can go? You could PM it to me or post it. The costs can be awful especially if lawyers are needed at any stage like Coroners Court - 20g it cost my family to get a hearing and expose Police.