Police killing us again!

[MaxB]

snip.... By the same token the rider is not blameless. Like I said before there has been a small group of local riders who rode a high speed on the local roads. 160 kph wheelies were common place [ their own speed estimate as the bike was more stable at that speed ] . Getting airborne over the humps was standard practice....

Time to hang a few numbers on this. According to a paper from the Transport Research Laboratory, UK, 2007 it takes appox. 80 metres to stop from 100kmh. This assumes perfect conditions eg reaction times, good visibility etc.

Given the cop car was about 60 metres from the brow it is reasonable to assume that a collision was still going to happen. Given that a 50 kmh solid impact is similar to a grand piano being dropped on you from a first floor window, a bad outcome was highly likely.

There were high banks either side of the cop car and bugger all run off. Paul had probably very little chance to avoid harm once he saw the cop car blocking his way. Poor guy.

There is a fixation from some quarters on the speed of the bike but given the above estimates are reasonable, then any average road user would have probably hit the cop car.

[candor]

I think the police should at the very lest admit the possibility of a mistake or poor judgement, instead of being so publicly focused on finding out the speed of the motorcyclist!

Their checkboxes require a speed tick if possible and their spin Dr has them under no illusions about their civic duty to scream speed kills at every opportunity. It's like the ink blot test they teach at Trentham. What's this ink splodge look like, or that thar cloud - "um (ponders hard) speed". Correct (positive reinforcement for staying on message). Should this "assuming", all supposedly for the public good, be done at the expense of possibly truth and victim dignity though?

[MSTRS:Me]

"Safer Communities Together"

Right?

[Varkp]

Specially because of the fact that the coppers have a "profit share scheme". No use in arresting taggers, child molesters and sundry, there is no money to be made in that.

Popping a wheelie, now who exactly are you going to hurt if that goes wrong ...besides ACC covers you if you f*ck it up badly enough !!!

[Swoop]

Had the rider been riding at the legal speed limit...

Can you please supply evidence that the rider was, in fact, exceeding the speed limit? Thanks.

[hospitalfood]

I think that even if the bike was speeding the speed of the bike does not matter, on the grounds that cops know people speed. The cop should have known better !
I hope he gets charged and this stops happening to bikes.
The cop who made this terrible mistake would be better off just owning it , but he may not be able to due to police rules.
It is a tradgedy for a man to lose his life because of a revenue gathering system.

[onearmedbandit]

Specially because of the fact that the coppers have a "profit share scheme". No use in arresting taggers, child molesters and sundry, there is no money to be made in that.

Popping a wheelie, now who exactly are you going to hurt if that goes wrong ...besides ACC covers you if you f*ck it up badly enough !!!

Although sarcasm is hard to detect on a forum, I'm going to take it that your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek.

[avgas]

"Safer Communities Together"
Right?

Safer Communities Apart? I like your neighbours

[Grubber]

I don't know the road but I'll agree with the sentiment re diesel utes. 154 in a Mazda Bounty? Fuck, I might go buy one!

I got a Ford Courier Diesel (it's name sake) and it's good for over 160k.
Not that it means the said vehicle was doing 154k on the day. I was just making a point that they are capable. (before anyone starts at me)

[MSTRS:Me]

Safer Communities Apart? I like your neighbours

It's what is written on both sides of cop cars.
I don't understand your post. It could be because I'm apparently a mentally impaired old man, with one foot in the grave, who has yet to achieve any result wanking - according to one sterling example of the human race on here...

[Coldrider]

Sometimes one has to look in the rearview mirror in order to go forward, helps stopping the dribble.
http://www.odt.co.nz/58043/police-pa...osts-him-60000
a brief summary of the Buller Gorge case

[idleidolidyll]

I have a modern common rail turbo diesel Ssangyong (Korean mercedes motor) and the factory quotes max speed of 165. Frankly I doubt that is achievable in the Auckalnd region; maybe on one of those Canterbury straights.
The Ssangyong Actyon makes about 120kW and 320nM torque. I'd be surprised if a Bounty was anything like as quick. 150kph plus sounds pretty unlikely to me

[idleidolidyll]

Gotta ssay: Even if the copper is convicted and fined, imprisoned or more, it's not enough.

I want the entire copper philosophy overhauled. Speeding (the ute) is not a capital offence and does not deserve this kind of result ever!

[blackdog]

I have a modern common rail turbo diesel Ssangyong (Korean mercedes motor) and the factory quotes max speed of 165. Frankly I doubt that is achievable in the Auckalnd region; maybe on one of those Canterbury straights.
The Ssangyong Actyon makes about 120kW and 320nM torque. I'd be surprised if a Bounty was anything like as quick. 150kph plus sounds pretty unlikely to me

i have tried to stay as far away from this thread as possible mostly because i have no intention commenting on anything i do not have all the facts about.

i HAVE had mazda bounty utes in the past, and i KNOW that they are indeed capable of speeds in excess of 160km/h

feel free to be surprised

remember assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups

[MSTRS:Me]

Sometimes one has to look in the rearview mirror in order to go forward, helps stopping the dribble.
http://www.odt.co.nz/58043/police-pa...osts-him-60000
a brief summary of the Buller Gorge case

Bridgman had to accept that he was the main person responsible for what happened.
No different to this case