Police killing us again!

[denill]

Do you really think cops would be breathtesting other cops, let alone charging them and bringing them before the courts in a corrupt force?

That is all about a a cop who will do anything to get the brownie points that are required for promotion. Believe it................

There are plenty of places to sit in the canteen.

[Grubber]

Troll........

It's easy to see what profession your in i'm afraid. Think maybe you need to broaden your thoughts a little and lose the uniform. Listen to what joe public is saying.

Actually I'd be happy for them to outright admit something went wrong and vow to get to the bottom of it, much like the Air force's AVM did after the ANZAC day crash.

Instead, they have mostly chosen to tar themselves with the same brush.

Agreed. All professions have their issues!

[candor]

Seems like not much to see here with 1 bad year for deaths in 2003 (all pursued) and a worsening trend to serious injury from chase incidents, but recent stuff about people hurt by collateral damage is not finalised or included in CAS as either crash reports are not in or processed.

Table 1: M/C rider & pillion casualties killed & injured in 'evading enforcement' crashes 2002 to 2008

M/C Riders M/C Pillions
--------------Fatalities -----------Serious injury---------------minor inj--------------Fat--------- ----S.I.---- -----minor inj
Pursued -------4-------------------25---------------------68--------------------0----------------------0------------------3
Not pursued---0-------------------1-----------------------3--------------------0---------------------0------------------0-----Total 104

Table 2 M/C rider & pillion casualties killed & injured in 'evading enforcement' crashes 2002 to 2008
By year-------------------------------Pursued----------------------------------------- ---------Not pursued
-----------------------Fatalities -----Serious injury------------minor inj--------------Fat-------------S.I.---------minor inj
2002 ------------------0--------------------1------------------------8-----------------0----------------0-------------0
2003-------------------3---------------------2-----------------------13----------------0----------------0-------------1
2004-------------------0---------------------2-------------------------4----------------0----------------0-------------2
2005-------------------1---------------------4-----------------------10----------------0----------------0-------------0
2006-------------------0---------------------3-------------------------6----------------0----------------0-------------0
2007-------------------0---------------------9-----------------------14----------- ----0--------- ------1------- ---0
2008-------------------0---------------------4-----------------------16------------ ----0---------------0--------- --0

[bogan]

Seems like not much to see here with 1 bad year for deaths in 2003 (all pursued) and a worsening trend to serious injury from chase incidents, but recent stuff about people hurt by collateral damage is not finalised or included in CAS as either crash reports are not in or processed.

I'm assuming the not pursued column is accidents where the police saw an offender and didn't pursue them? Seems a little hard to gather data for it, and also very skewed as the cops tend to pursue a lot more than not. What would be helpful would be a graph of pursuits/tickets (per 10,000 bikes-ish) vs bike injuries on the road (per 10,000 bikes-ish) as that will show if there is any correlation between police pursuits/tickets and road safety.

[avgas]

if this is the case, i see only positives in weeding out those who choose law enforcement as a career based on the 'perks'

Haha that would be awesome. Could probably be left with about 10 cops in NZ.
Only downside that would be is that you would ALWAYS get a ticket from these cops for EVERYTHING you do. As they would be cops to enforce the law only.
Be careful what you wish for I guess.

[avgas]

No wonder they have an image problem.

Same could be said about bikers.
Food for thought

[candor]

I'm assuming the not pursued column is accidents where the police saw an offender and didn't pursue them?

The "not pursued" column is actually people hurt in the course of a pursuit who were not the pursued person/s ie MC riders that were "in the way" of a pursuit. Innocent bystanders like those caught up in a crash by dodgy cop u-turns.

The sort of graph you suggest is an interesting thought. There is one for tickets/general crashes done by the AA showing more tickets the last 5 years equals more crashes proportionately, but no MC breakdown. Could be done I'm sure.

[bogan]

The "not pursued" column is actually people hurt in the course of a pursuit who were not the pursued person/s ie MC riders that were "in the way" of a pursuit. Innocent bystanders like those caught up in a crash by dodgy cop u-turns.

The sort of graph you suggest is an interesting thought. There is one for tickets/general crashes done by the AA showing more tickets equals more crashes, but no MC breakdown. Could be done I'm sure.

ah, that makes more sense, yeh i saw the precentage one from AA, would prefer just population normalised figures though. Could I have a link to the one on AAs site?

[candor]

They didn't publish it - it was used to inform their SJ comments, but can e-ml to you. Gotta go.

[bogan]

They didn't publish it - it was used to inform their SJ comments, but can e-ml to you. Gotta go.

Is it different from the percentage one in your other thread? or do you have the figures behind it? would be interested in them if thats the case

[avgas]

Must be one of the few jobs left in the country that still has perks.

I wonder who pays for those perks?

Nope most jobs have perks of one kind or another.
Depends on the level or arseholes you have to deal with on a daily basis. Sales guys get sweet cars.

[avgas]

So they're not joining for the noble job of serving and protecting the public but instead so they can drive a specific car in a lout-like manner, with impunity? That pretty much confirms everything I thought I knew about them: we're back to "Do as I say, not as I do".

Fuck no. What do you work for free too?
Cash is a perk too you know. Some people do stuff free of charge.
So what the figure on your morality? 50K, 60K....100K?

[Smifffy]

If I'm a troll for calling for changes to policies & procedures, then so too is Justice Lowell Goddard. From all of this, I suspect that the officer involved is likely to eventually face discipline of some kind. I still think that the problem is more systemic than just a few hooning cops, and so does Justice Goddard.

It appears that members of the force can ignore her just as easily as they ignore the public.

Police at fault in pursuit crash
Wednesday, February 17, 2010
The Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) found that two police officers in an unmarked car should never have pursued Thomas Hancy, then 18, through a ...

Police pursuit breached policy - IPCA
Tuesday, February 16, 2010
Police actions in pursuing a speeding driver through a busy part of central Christchurch in December 2008 breached policy and amounted to misconduct, ...

Police pursuit ends in serious crash
Sunday, January 31, 2010
... More than 20 a year were seriously injured. In October the IPCA recommended changes to police policy to give clearer guidelines on when pursuits were justified.

Family hail call for change in police tactics
Wednesday, October 14, 2009
... "Pursuits can begin over relatively minor offending, or general suspicion, and end in serious injury or death," said IPCA chairwoman Justice Lowell Goddard. ...

Speeding policeman who injured teen loses licence
Friday, May 29, 2009
... an Auckland teenager was breaking both the law and police policy and should not have been speeding, the Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) has found. ...

Complaints about police at highest level in 20 years
Friday, December 5, 2008
Neglect of duty, and language and attitude problems rank among the most common complaints to the Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA). ..

Woman in hospital after high-speed police crash
Tuesday, October 21, 2008
... the scene investigation, and a non-commissioned officer had been assigned to coordinate an Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) investigation.

May 22, 2006
On Thursday, a police officer lost control of his car during a pursuit in west Auckland and ploughed down 20m of a concrete boundary.

Seems like not much to see here with 1 bad year for deaths in 2003 (all pursued) and a worsening trend to serious injury from chase incidents, but recent stuff about people hurt by collateral damage is not finalised or included in CAS as either crash reports are not in or processed.

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[peasea]

Same could be said about bikers.
Food for thought

You're not fucking wrong.
Sunday, just after noon, we were standing outside a mates place chatting. Some twat on a bright green sportsbike (don't know what, don't care) pulls out from by the bakery and pops a long wheelstand, through an intersection, in a 50k zone in plain view of a swag of folk having brunch outside the local cafe`. Not to mention others who were walking their dogs, taking their kids to the park, dropping off DVD's or whatever. Prize fucking twat. There are heaps of back roads around here where you can pop wheelies all day long and nobody will ever know. Unfortunately, most members of the public don't know (or care) what type of bike any particular biker rides, they just see a 'bike'. That guy did us all a major disservice.

[scumdog]

It's easy to see what profession your in i'm afraid. Think maybe you need to broaden your thoughts a little and lose the uniform. Listen to what joe public is saying.!

Hell no, not if the joe public is like a certain amount of KB.

I wasn't in this job my whole life, my thoughts and ideas haven't changed since becoming a cop - just ask anybody that has known me for a while.