Police killing us again!

**scumdog** · 3rd May 2010, 12:58

Originally Posted by bogan

I suppose a lot of it comes back to, should we hold police to a higher standard than joe public? Lead by example etc. I think we should.

Also, who polices the police if they do a bad turn etc?

Probably not an unreasonable expectation, however as I have said before cops are plucked from general society and yes unebelievably to some they are human and like all humans will make mistakes...some mistakes worse than others.

So say all applicant are screened in some manner that only allows those who will never make a mistake to be accepted?

Well in that case we'd have about 7 cops for the whole country - and that's an optimistic figure...

**SPman** · 3rd May 2010, 13:01

Originally Posted by max preload

What's the penalty for 'Oblivious Driving'?

Oblivion?.......

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd May 2010, 13:03

Hey, at least we could trust them to do their jobs properly...

**bogan** · 3rd May 2010, 13:06

Originally Posted by scumdog

Probably not an unreasonable expectation, however as I have said before cops are plucked from general society and yes unebelievably to some they are human and like all humans will make mistakes...some mistakes worse than others.

So say all applicant are screened in some manner that only allows those who will never make a mistake to be accepted?

Well in that case we'd have about 7 cops for the whole country - and that's an optimistic figure...

I agree, mistakes will happen, but how hard is it to check the mirrors and blind spots every time a u-turn is performed? Or if such a mistake is made, it's not hard to offer an apology rather than driving off acting oblivious.

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd May 2010, 13:09

Originally Posted by bogan

I agree, mistakes will happen, but how hard is it to check the mirrors and blind spots every time a u-turn is performed? Or if such a mistake is made, it's not hard to offer an apology rather than driving off acting oblivious.

Don't you know ANYTHING? Motorists are all just criminals who haven't been caught yet. One does not apologise to criminals.
Sheesh....

**bogan** · 3rd May 2010, 13:13

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Don't you know ANYTHING? Motorists are all just criminals who haven't been caught yet. One does not apologise to criminals.
Sheesh....

oh, sorry I had thought it was only bikers who were criminals that just had'nt been caught yet

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd May 2010, 13:16

Yeah. We're black collar criminals...

**bogan** · 3rd May 2010, 13:20

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Yeah. We're black collar criminals...

though a cop did give me a thumbs up when i rode my bike on the footpath to let him through when he had his blues on, i don't think any of the cagers at the same lights even notice he was coming!

and we may be black collar criminals, but we are also NZ road VIPs now (thanks Nick!

) so have extra lane splitting and cycle lane privelidges right? I mean we gotta get our moneys worth somehow

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd May 2010, 13:24

In fact, I suspect that we are becoming so important, that each of us will have our very own police escort. Before too much longer.
That'll change the game...a bit.

**Patrick** · 3rd May 2010, 16:21

Originally Posted by DMNTD

Is there such a thing as careless/reckless driving causing death?
I know they guy that didn't give way and took me out with a truck?? got done for careless causing injury.
Not a dig...simply a question

Yes. This enquiry will be, which is it to be.......

Originally Posted by MSTRS

I can understand the need to do investigation. I can also undersand why such an investigation 'could' take longer in the case of a cop.
Can we assume then, that this cop is already in receipt of a TON for Unsafe Manouevre $150, subject to the charge being increased to ...Causing Death, should his culpability be proved?

See, the thing is, right or wrong, we expect cops to be held to a higher standard than the rest of us. They are there to know, and uphold, 'the law'. Yet so often, this proves not to be the case. We have all become somewhat cynical over the years.

Nope. You can't start at the bottom end and work your way up. If he just received a $150 ticket (ION, not a TON) for a U turn, that would be the end of it..?

They will start at the high end.

One can be cynical about anything, really.... Such as motorbike riders being the cause of their own demise.... (some times.....)

Originally Posted by bogan

I suppose a lot of it comes back to, should we hold police to a higher standard than joe public? Lead by example etc. I think we should.

Also, who polices the police if they do a bad turn etc?

Most Senior Sergeants/Sergeants. Our ones will write out tickets to cops, no problem. Had one crash after driving through a red light. Easy quota, according to some..... apparently.....

Originally Posted by bogan

I agree, mistakes will happen, but how hard is it to check the mirrors and blind spots every time a u-turn is performed? Or if such a mistake is made, it's not hard to offer an apology rather than driving off acting oblivious.

Absolutely right. But some, I guess, are unaware of any wrong doing, even after the event, and will continue to drive like crap. But that is across the board, in all walks of life.....

**Patrick** · 3rd May 2010, 16:25

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Nothing has changed.
Just had lunch with my missus.
All shook up as she was travelling along the Takanini straight following a police car.

The said police car suddenly just pulls a u turn without any warning, no lights or siren on and travels in the opposite direction ( not even at speed).
She had to take evasive action in her car to avoid colliding with the car.

She didnt get time to take the number plate or any other ID.

For those of you unaware of the Takanini straight it is a very busy part of the Gt Sth Road in Papakura.

Following too closely? (like almost every one on that stretch of road, at any time of day......).

BUt yeah, I wonder if they even realised they screwed up...

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd May 2010, 17:08

Originally Posted by Patrick

Nope. You can't start at the bottom end and work your way up. If he just received a $150 ticket (ION, not a TON) for a U turn, that would be the end of it..?
They will start at the high end.

Infringement Offence Notice? Not Traffic Of...?
So - if a member of the great unwashed pulled that stunt, with that result, you are saying it would be some time before a charge was laid? After SCU had done it's thing etc.

**MarkH** · 3rd May 2010, 17:55

Originally Posted by Patrick

Following too closely?

Mr Merde said she avoided the accident, so I'd say not following too closely. If she hadn't been far enough back then she may not have been able to avoid a collision - probably not the best way for a cop to test someone's reactions IMO.

**jahrasti** · 3rd May 2010, 19:48

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Infringement Offence Notice? Not Traffic Of...?
So - if a member of the great unwashed pulled that stunt, with that result, you are saying it would be some time before a charge was laid? After SCU had done it's thing etc.

YES that is exactly the case.