Police killing us again!

[trustme]

But it just goes to show something out of the ordinary can happen so quickly through the actions of others and it usually ends badly unfortunately.

I drive trucks a fair bit so I realise that tankers can turn at any time, always , always treat them with care. They have huge blind spots if you are coming from behind.

Case Study
Some years ago a group of us came over the brow of a hill on a minor back road . Road was full of cattle, we all hit the picks & stopped safely. The last rider had been caught behind cars & was pushing to catch up. He came sailing past us all locked up & stopped among the closest cattle.[ They were heading away from us ]. Cocky should have had someone back up the road but it was bloody close, the following rider could have taken any of us out .

Case Study
A group of riders are on a windy road, one is a couple of hundred yards behind the rest and maintaining that distance. He comes over the crest of a sharp rise to be confronted by a 4x4 pulling out of a drive, nowhere to go he lays the bike down, Rider is bruised but OK , bike not so good. Driver had seen the bikes go by , road was clear & so he pulled out.

Question . How often is it the second bike in the group that gets in the shit in situations like this ??

[idb]

I drive trucks a fair bit so I realise that tankers can turn at any time, always , always treat them with care. They have huge blind spots if you are coming from behind.

Case Study
Some years ago a group of us came over the brow of a hill on a minor back road . Road was full of cattle, we all hit the picks & stopped safely. The last rider had been caught behind cars & was pushing to catch up. He came sailing past us all locked up & stopped among the closest cattle.[ They were heading away from us ]. Cocky should have had someone back up the road but it was bloody close, the following rider could have taken any of us out .

Case Study
A group of riders are on a windy road, one is a couple of hundred yards behind the rest and maintaining that distance. He comes over the crest of a sharp rise to be confronted by a 4x4 pulling out of a drive, nowhere to go he lays the bike down, Rider is bruised but OK , bike not so good. Driver had seen the bikes go by , road was clear & so he pulled out.

Question . How often is it the second bike in the group that gets in the shit in situations like this ??

Is "I'm not sure" a legitimate answer?

[trustme]

Is "I'm not sure" a legitimate answer?

I don't have an answer , only a suspicion from personal experience & observation.

[MSTRS:Me]

I drive trucks a fair bit so I realise that tankers can turn at any time, always , always treat them with care. They have huge blind spots if you are coming from behind.

Case Study
Some years ago a group of us came over the brow of a hill on a minor back road . Road was full of cattle, we all hit the picks & stopped safely. The last rider had been caught behind cars & was pushing to catch up. He came sailing past us all locked up & stopped among the closest cattle.[ They were heading away from us ]. Cocky should have had someone back up the road but it was bloody close, the following rider could have taken any of us out .

Case Study
A group of riders are on a windy road, one is a couple of hundred yards behind the rest and maintaining that distance. He comes over the crest of a sharp rise to be confronted by a 4x4 pulling out of a drive, nowhere to go he lays the bike down, Rider is bruised but OK , bike not so good. Driver had seen the bikes go by , road was clear & so he pulled out.

Question . How often is it the second bike in the group that gets in the shit in situations like this ??

Were there no other 'clues' as to their presence up ahead?
1. A road cone just sitting on the verge?
2. Mud and/or crap all over the road?
3. Strong smell of stock?

Come on - we don't need to see something like stock to know they are there.

[marie_speeds]

Were there no other 'clues' as to their presence up ahead?
1. A road cone just sitting on the verge?
2. Mud and/or crap all over the road?
3. Strong smell of stock?

Come on - we don't need to see something like stock to know they are there.

There may be some farmers who don't bother with warning, especially when they are used to a quiet road that does not get a lot of traffic?

But in my personal experience of coming across stock is that I and other traffic was slowed down to a crawl by the farm hands on quads, before we reached the herd being moved.

[The Stranger:Me]

In defense of my previously held perception that they had special advanced training and held special silver or gold licences I feel I must point out that this perception has been encouraged by the police and the media.

Do we expect a judge know more about the law than the person he's judging - of course not. Do we expect teachers know more about teaching than our kids - of course not. Would we expect that a psychologist knows more about the mind than their patients - of course we don't.

So why on earth would one expect those judging you to be any better in their field than you? That's just outrageous.

[MSTRS:Me]

Usually farmers moving stock are pretty good at making motorists aware of their presence. Cones and/or warning signs. Or quads running interference.
But when a mob of sheep/cattle is on the road, they leave plenty of 'sign'...more than enough warning, IF you are approaching in the same direction of travel.

[oneofsix]

Do we expect a judge know more about the law than the person he's judging - of course not. Do we expect teachers know more about teaching than our kids - of course not. Would we expect that a psychologist knows more about the mind than their patients - of course we don't.

So why on earth would one expect those judging you to be any better in their field than you? That's just outrageous.

The longer I live the more I suspect your sarcasm might actually represent the truth. BTW the police are note meant to judge, umm another Tui moment

[The Stranger:Me]

In all truthfulness I was surprised by the verdict as the credibility of the officers who testified against him will now be questioned by defence lawyers in any future cases they handle.

I was surprised at the verdict as one has to assume that those that testified against him were actually there and are in general familiar with the situation on frequent basis.
Unruly crims are not exactly uncommon are they? Surely the cops that were testifying know what needs to be done at times to bring people under control and if an action is warranted or not.

Still, at least Folan will think carefully before he does it again - to ensure that there are no witnesses.

[oneofsix]

Usually farmers moving stock are pretty good at making motorists aware of their presence. Cones and/or warning signs. Or quads running interference.
But when a mob of sheep/cattle is on the road, they leave plenty of 'sign'...more than enough warning, IF you are approaching in the same direction of travel.

Great just imagine it, the cattle have just been moved out of the gate over the crest, leaving their 'sign' on the road. The biker comes over the crest, hits the picks and then the 'sign', . Bet that does great for the friction between tyre and road and if they should by unfortunate enough to lay the bike down

[trustme]

Were there no other 'clues' as to their presence up ahead?
1. A road cone just sitting on the verge?
2. Mud and/or crap all over the road?
3. Strong smell of stock?

Come on - we don't need to see something like stock to know they are there.

Nope nothing, I'm used to someone on a quad waving you down. I think he had just bought them out of a paddock. Guys at the front had no real issue. It was the guy coming last that got the real fright. I wonder if it is a subconcious thought that the guys ahead have cleared the way so it will be OK.

Much in all as Katman thinks there is always a clue or warning I'm not so sure.
Riding into Minginui I knew to watch for horses & slowed to about 80kph.
Horse bolts out from between a hedgerow & turns at the very last moment or I most definitely would have hit him. The guy behind me was still pissing himself when we stop. 'Fuck that was close, where the hell did he come from'
I can't ride along checking if every paddock gate is closed, I did slow down . What hell else do you do ??

[MSTRS:Me]

We can all get caught out, sure. All depends on timing usually.
But many do 'get caught unawares' when in fact there was plenty of warning for them. If they were processing what they had to be seeing.

[oneofsix]

We can all get caught out, sure. All depends on timing usually.
But many do 'get caught unawares' when in fact there was plenty of warning for them. If they were processing what they had to be seeing.

Oh yes the ideal world scenario but then if it was an ideal world the farmer would have had outriders behind the cattle and the biker wouldn't have to be interrupting clues and hints. Whilst we ride in the country some of us are city bikers so don't know the clues.
Better still in the ideal world the farmer would have an off road race for moving their stock.
nah can that. This discussion is a good way for the city rider to learn what the hints are.

[MSTRS:Me]

This discussion is a good way for the city rider to learn what the hints are.

Perhaps. But the biggest lesson to be learned is when you can't see where the road goes...slow down.
I mean, there might be a cop parked across the road just over that brow, eh?

[Spearfish]

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