Police killing us again!

**scumdog** · 12th August 2011, 20:07

Originally Posted by Fluffy Cat

Whats the fine for that?. Just wondering if its possible that the fine would be higher than that given for causing careless death. Would have thought reckless would have been more appropriate?.

You need to learn more - like what constitutes 'reckless'

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 12th August 2011, 20:17

Originally Posted by scumdog

Yeah, a $25,000 fine would have made the rider come alive again, eh?.

That loud 'rushing' noise was 'the point' flashing by that wee head of yours.
Its not about the value of the $$ its about the value of the tragic decision he made and the outcome

I don't think any amount of money would be enough to bring a family member back but unfortunately our wonderful judicial system seems to think $250 is enough in this case

**scumdog** · 12th August 2011, 20:20

Nice to see my $25,000 comment has provoked SOME reaction....

**munster** · 12th August 2011, 20:25

I cannot believe that any other member of the public caught in the same or similar situation would have come out with as light a penalty as that.

Disgusting, unfair, repugnant etc and absolutely no deterrent to stop someone else doing a U-turn in an equally as stupid place.

**scott411** · 12th August 2011, 20:26

Originally Posted by Aristocat

$250 for a life. Going cheap these days.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5437...s-motorcyclist

I want to say 'disappointed'; but that doesn't even begin to convey my thoughts on this matter.

it is not even a joke, its a disgrace,

**Kickaha** · 12th August 2011, 20:26

What penalty did the dickhead that did the U turn at Buller and took the two bikes out get?

**scumdog** · 12th August 2011, 20:27

Originally Posted by munster

Disgusting, unfair, repugnant etc and absolutely no deterrent to stop someone else doing a U-turn in an equally as stupid place.

NOTHING deters them - you have to be able to have imagination to be deterred.

**munster** · 12th August 2011, 20:29

Originally Posted by scumdog

NOTHING deters them - you have to be able to have imagination to be deterred.

Careful now, this cop did the same thing as that cop in Buller. Are you saying Cops don't have imagination?

**Mort** · 12th August 2011, 20:30

Disgusting.

**scumdog** · 12th August 2011, 20:36

Originally Posted by munster

Careful now, this cop did the same thing as that cop in Buller. Are you saying Cops don't have imagination?

Some don't apparently - and there's times when I haven't imagined "There could be a bike doing about 140kph approaching right now"

**YellowDog** · 12th August 2011, 20:39

Originally Posted by Toaster

Personally I would like to see all NZ drivers do driving courses as part of their licence issue and renewal to the level of the NZ police training (they teach some great stuff) AND see our police do courses to the level of the UK police (which is FAR more superior and takes their skill level far beyond ours).

This officer clearly made a big error and met with a rider making another error by speeding so grossly over the limit and therefore limiting his own chance of survial if the unexpected happened.

Bottom line is we ALL could do with two things - a higher level of skill, and enough sense to use that skill at all times and not get complacent.

Good post. I was trained by a UK cop in the late 70s. I was too young at the time to appreciate the value of what he was teahing, but as my experience grew, I did become a better rider for it.

We've all heard that the road is not a racetrack however we sometimes find ourselves travelling at speeds where we would not be able to avoid the unexpected or indeed just a mistake by another road user. I like to believe that this is now quite a rare occurance then it used to be (for me).

IMO - the sentence handed out to the police officer who acted recklessly by not exercising due care and attention before making a U-Turn; is unjust and insulting to the memory of the dead rider. I say this regarless of the speed of said rider.

Expect the unexpected! We are told to! The Police should have to do the same.

**munster** · 12th August 2011, 20:47

Originally Posted by scumdog

Some don't apparently - and there's times when I haven't imagined "There could be a bike doing about 140kph approaching right now"

Originally Posted by YellowDog

Expect the unexpected! We are told to! The Police should have to do the same.

Knowing that road, and having seen the paint markings after the crash, the bikers speed wouldn't have mattered a jot. It was a damn stupid reckless dangerous place to try & attempt & fail a u-turn.

**bogan** · 12th August 2011, 20:49

Originally Posted by scott411

it is not even a joke, its a disgrace,

The article certainly reads poorly of the verdict. His decisions meant he had no hope if there was an unexpected obstacle, I think we all agree that was a very bad choice. However, the officers decision to provide such an obstacle is classed as a momentary lapse? what the fuck. Surely those charged with keeping the roads safe should be held to a higher standard than this.