Police killing us again!

[scumdog]

you kids STILL fighting??

[Katman]

The reaction time debate is not as simple as you make it out to be. 2 second reaction time for coming over a brow and seeing obstacle is very probable.
A copy paste for you.

Surprise vs. Reaction Time
The best research done on the affects of surprise on reaction time is by Dr. Marc Green. He has been studying the concept of reaction time for over 34 years. In one of his articles he discusses the difference between reaction time when the event is expected, or in a security scenario could relate to a driver who has done a route survey and knows the danger zones on the route, and when the event is a surprise which could relate to an inexperience driver, or a drive who has not done a route survey. As an example, when the driver knows they have to brake they can achieve the best possible reaction time. Dr Green says that the best estimate is 0.7 seconds. Of this, 0.5 is perception and 0.2 is movement, the time required to release the accelerator and to depress the brake pedal.

When the need to brake is a complete surprise reaction time is substantially different. In this case Dr. Green suggests that the best estimate is 1.5 seconds for something that may be coming at you from the side and a few tenths of a second faster for straight-ahead obstacles. Surprise creates a perception time of 1.2 seconds and a movement time of 0.3 second.

So at 100kph in 1.5 seconds you've travelled about 30 metres.

That still leaves 90 metres.

[FJRider]

... A three-point turn doesn't involve any more than a few metres backward movement from the point at which it's executed.

With what I saw in the news vid ... paint marks on the road ... a few metres between hit or miss ...

At times like that on the road ... a few extra metres are always good ...

[steve_t]

I just watched that so where da fuck is this 120m coming from??? da PIG was 70m away from the top, taking the time at 100km/h to about 2 secs reaction to stop.

IPCA report linked in an earlier post says 120m but news reports say 70m.

[FJRider]

you kids STILL fighting??

Who won the snow-fight ... ???

[_Shrek_]

you kids STILL fighting??

hell no scummy it's just so the can go on for a few more days/weeks

[meteor]

IPCA report linked in an earlier post says 120m but news reports say 70m.

Is one a visibility and one an actual distance? Over a crest you see something further away as your higher than ground level. i.e. was the car visible from 120 meters away but was actually turning 70 meters from the crest?

KATMAN, a question, how much speed could be scraped off a Kwacka thou bike in 90 meters?

[Katman]

KATMAN, a question, how much speed could be scraped off a Kwacka thou bike in 90 meters?

That would depend on what speed it was going in the first place, wouldn't it?

[trustme]

If the rider was cresting the rise at over 160kph in an effort to get up on the back wheel as he continually used to do on that stretch of road, stating that the bike was more stable on the rear wheel at over 160 kph , I wonder what his stopping distance would have been then ?? No one will ever know for sure except the rider & he is not telling.

There are lessons in this sorry saga for all parties.

[terbang]

The outcome of this accident is certainly a travesty of justice.

Forget all the pedantic meters and seconds of stopping time and take a look at the big picture here.
Anyone who does a three point or U-turn on the brow of the hill (without the aid of a rangefinder, chronometer and MU meter) risks becoming a serious hazard to others on the road.
Professional drivers (and I loosely put cops into that category) usually know better than average joe bloggs amateur and don't take risks. However with experience, complacency can creep in.

In this instance the risk didn't pay off, a rider was killed.

However as this accident has also proved if you are a cop, and it appears this seems exclusive to cops where the blue uniform clearly builds in a huge buffer for stupidity, the risk is really worth only $250.

[Kickaha]

However as this accident has also proved if you are a cop, and it appears this seems exclusive to cops where the blue uniform clearly builds in a huge buffer for stupidity, the risk is really worth only $250.

Only is this case Bridgeman, who "only" injured two riders and didn't kill anyone was hit for $60,000

The Judge who applied the penalty is the one who should be copping it

[FJRider]

... There are lessons in this sorry saga for all parties.

Lessons are only for those that wish to learn ... and worthwhile only for those that will put what they learned into practice ...

I fear if you counted those that will ... you will still have a few spare fingers ...

[T.W.R]

The outcome of this accident is certainly a travesty of justice.

True...but

Forget all the pedantic meters and seconds of stopping time and take a look at the big picture here.
Anyone who is racing their mate or chasing their mate on the road risks becoming a serious hazard to others on the road.
Professional drivers (and I loosely put cops into that category) usually know better than average joe bloggs amateur and don't take risks. However with experience, complacency can creep in.

In this instance the risk didn't pay off, a rider was killed.

However as this accident has also proved if you are a biker, and it appears this seems exclusive to bikers who are well known clearly builds in a huge buffer for stupidity, the risk is really worth only their lives.

[TIBLE_90]

This has taught me to slow down on the road and save the speed for the track. Not keen to come over a hill or around a corner to find a car either u-turning or going really slow in my lane while at speed

As others have said there are two sides to every story and yes I agree that it was very wrong for the cop to do a u-turn where he did, however, if the motorcyclist was speeding that could have affected the outcome as he would not be able to stop nearly as well as if he would have been doing the speed limit.

[Scuba_Steve]

At the end of the day the PIG was at fault & the legal system was once again a fucking joke. You can see why even the "ordinary man" is starting to give up on our legal system from start to finish is is corrupt.
"Speed" is an "if" factor whereas pulling a stupid maneuver in a dangerous place is a "when" factor and 250$ for killing someone is a fucking joke, it costs more to drive without a licence.