Police killing us again!

**Jdogg** · 26th August 2011, 15:36

Can anyone say inconsistent???

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...ter-biker-hurt

**Parlane** · 26th August 2011, 15:41

Originally Posted by Jdogg

Can anyone say inconsistent???

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...ter-biker-hurt

"Lee was fined $600 plus court costs and ordered to pay the motorcyclist $2270 for the loss of his clothing, for medical costs and the insurance excess."

The insurance excess? Wouldn't he be paying out the total cost? Unless it means his own insurance excess :\ But the way it's worded soundslike the biker is paying his own insurance company and Lee the car driver is paying the biker's excess for him.

**nadroj** · 26th August 2011, 16:21

His insurance company will seek reimbursement from the accused's insurer or the accused.

**scumdog** · 26th August 2011, 16:23

Originally Posted by Jdogg

Can anyone say inconsistent???

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...ter-biker-hurt

OK, I'll bite...

Oh, you mean there's an exact parrallel?

I suppose there was

..a motorcyclist minding his own business and a car driver not....I'm struggling to find any more.
U-turn - nope
Speeding bike? nope
Offending driver had a clean record? nope
Death of motrcyclist? nope

And that's just a start...

**Jdogg** · 26th August 2011, 17:38

Originally Posted by scumdog

OK, I'll bite...

Oh, you mean there's an exact parrallel?

I suppose there was

..a motorcyclist minding his own business and a car driver not....I'm struggling to find any more.
U-turn - nope
Speeding bike? nope
Offending driver had a clean record? nope
Death of motrcyclist? nope

And that's just a start...

Thanks Scummy, someone had to.......and no there is not a parallel, more the fact that once you strip all the variables away there just seems to be no real upper or lower punishment that is consistently adhered to by the courts in regards to people not taking their role behind the wheel (or handlebars) seriously. In this case you could say that the punishment handed down is manifestly over the top when you take into account the result?

My question is, would you expect there to be a bare minimum that should be placed on a offender that kills someone through making a mistake while driving? obviously the rider has paid his price for his mistake and misjudgment, wouldn't you expect the courts to hand down a punishment that could be viewed by the public as fair and considered? or should all responsibility for the crash be placed onto somebody who cannot defend themselves?

I have always thought the the courts are expected to be consistent.......

**BoristheBiter** · 26th August 2011, 18:18

Originally Posted by Jdogg

I have always thought the the courts are expected to be consistent.......

You say the funniest things.

**Parlane** · 26th August 2011, 18:28

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

You say the funniest things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_Sa...arndest_Things

**Biggles08** · 27th August 2011, 19:18

Originally Posted by scumdog

OK, I'll bite...

Oh, you mean there's an exact parrallel?

I suppose there was

..a motorcyclist minding his own business and a car driver not....I'm struggling to find any more.
U-turn - nope
Speeding bike? nope
Offending driver had a clean record? nope
Death of motrcyclist? nope

And that's just a start...

Wrong end of the stick Scumdog...no cops were involved (from what I can see in the article he linked to) and I thought it pretty obvious Jdog was referring to the sentence handed down of $600 +damages vs $250. Considering the less tragic result of the misjudgement of the driver AND the fact that he owned up to his fuck up...I quote "Simon Lee, 25, unemployed, admitted a charge of careless driving" I do think this is a very good example of the bullshit sentence handed down to the cop who obviously made a meal of his driving, so much so the judge made reference to it AND still only fined him $250!?

Do you think the Judge was right in providing a fine of only $250 based solely on the knowledge we all collectively have in regards to Paul Browns death and the actions leading up to it? Yes or no? I understand this is only your opinion of course...but to me this whole subject is a very serious one regardless of whether it is on KB or not.

I'm interested considering your profession and the 'appearance' to us mere "NZ public" of the need of those in your profession to defend any colleagues actions at all cost (not referring to you per say, more to Wayne Abernathy who believes the sentence was fair!...WTF) .

**Daffyd** · 27th August 2011, 20:30

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Wrong end of the stick Scumdog...no cops were involved (from what I can see in the article he linked to) and I thought it pretty obvious Jdog was referring to the sentence handed down of $600 +damages vs $250. Considering the less tragic result of the misjudgement of the driver AND the fact that he owned up to his fuck up...I quote "Simon Lee, 25, unemployed, admitted a charge of careless driving" I do think this is a very good example of the bullshit sentence handed down to the cop who obviously made a meal of his driving, so much so the judge made reference to it AND still only fined him $250!?

I'm interested considering your profession and the 'appearance' to us mere "NZ public" of the need of those in your profession to defend any colleagues actions at all cost (not referring to you per say, more to Wayne Abernathy who believes the sentence was fair!...WTF) .

The expression is "per se"

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th August 2011, 09:42

We all know that it was the judge that has caused so much of the angst in this case, but since this is a bash-the-cops thread...how about the cop in Auckland that is apparently feuding with his neighbour? Entered the guy's property with a sledgehammer and destroyed a concrete block fence/post. His colleagues were called, but declined to follow through, stating it was a 'civil matter'. You what? Anyone else would have been charged with trespass and wilful damage.
The boys looking after their own. Again.

**Katman** · 28th August 2011, 10:21

**avgas** · 28th August 2011, 10:25

Originally Posted by Parlane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_Sa...arndest_Things

Watch: Family Guy - Stewie And Bill Cosby

**BoristheBiter** · 28th August 2011, 18:19

Originally Posted by MSTRS

We all know that it was the judge that has caused so much of the angst in this case, but since this is a bash-the-cops thread...how about the cop in Auckland that is apparently feuding with his neighbour? Entered the guy's property with a sledgehammer and destroyed a concrete block fence/post. His colleagues were called, but declined to follow through, stating it was a 'civil matter'. You what? Anyone else would have been charged with trespass and wilful damage.
The boys looking after their own. Again.

Well everyone gets some perks in there job.