Police killing us again!

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Rather than start a new thread, this just in... Not quite a death but coulda been, not too much details

Police car hits woman

To me this one sounds like dizzy blond syndrome... playing MP3 not lookinga nd run across road smack into car... that so happened to have pretty lights atop

[Scuba_Steve]

To me this one sounds like dizzy blond syndrome... playing MP3 not lookinga nd run across road smack into car... that so happened to have pretty lights atop

yea to me it sounds like she was shit-faced drunk & did it to herself.

[Parlane]

yea to me it sounds like she was shit-faced drunk & did it to herself.

Completely agree, this story has nothing to do with the title of this thread. It could have been any car.

Person to blame in this scenario is the girl and the bouncer(pub). They tend to just kick people out once they are intoxicated and let them find their own way home.
(There was a rape case in Christchurch for when a bouncer kicked out a young girl and a guy took her home.. )

Pubs etc should be held more responisble. (IMO)

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

yea to me it sounds like she was shit-faced drunk & did it to herself.

yup.........

[oneofsix]

Completely agree, this story has nothing to do with the title of this thread. It could have been any car.

Person to blame in this scenario is the girl and the bouncer(pub). They tend to just kick people out once they are intoxicated and let them find their own way home.
(There was a rape case in Christchurch for when a bouncer kicked out a young girl and a guy took her home.. )

Pubs etc should be held more responisble. (IMO)

to lead this totally off topic I am going to disagree to the bit about pub responsibly. The young people turn up to the pubs half cut for the music friends and atmosphere, and when they exceed there ability to absorb anymore and the pub does the required thing and tells them to piss off their 'friends' can't be buggered looking after them. The Chch girl was even under aged and knew what she was doing before she went there so where is her responsibility and that of her 'mates'?

[Scuba_Steve]

Completely agree, this story has nothing to do with the title of this thread. It could have been any car.

Pubs etc should be held more responisble. (IMO)

Yea I just stuck it here as I didn't think it warranted it's own thread & we don't know what the final outcome will be, it might turn out the cop was in wrong (but I doubt it)

Should they? I don't like the idea of anyone being responsible for anyone else, we do it to ourselves. Theres a chance this women was never in the pub & thus they never got her to this state why should they then be responsible for her? If they outright rejected her they were being responsible by not giving her more & no pub can afford to have their bouncers taking each individual home.

[Parlane]

to lead this totally off topic I am going to disagree to the bit about pub responsibly. The young people turn up to the pubs half cut for the music friends and atmosphere, and when they exceed there ability to absorb anymore and the pub does the required thing and tells them to piss off their 'friends' can't be buggered looking after them. The Chch girl was even under aged and knew what she was doing before she went there so where is her responsibility and that of her 'mates'?

My sisters friends have fake ids, now these are just real ids with this bit of plastic you stick over the birth year. It scratches off. How can I know this and bouncers can't?

Because a pub doesn't make money unless there are young attractive girls there.

While I may have overstated how much responsibility a pub should have for their patrons, I still believe that if you are in the service of getting people drunk you should also be in the service of making sure that when they leave they are capable of doing so safely... (Offering to call a cab may be as much as they can do, and they probably do.. Not that I've seen though). My local has a free van to drop you home. (Islington Tavern a.k.a. The Swamp)

[Murray]

My sisters friends have fake ids, now these are just real ids with this bit of plastic you stick over the birth year. It scratches off. How can I know this and bouncers can't?

So whose committing the crime??.

Pub I worked at confiscated so many fake licenses it wasnt funny! All handed to the police and no further follow up - I thought this was a crime. Also the one's that do get through the door on their fake licenses (remember its usually at night and doorways/entrances are not the best lit areas) when asked by the police to show their licenses say they don't have one and the pub gets done for serving underages.

[oneofsix]

My sisters friends have fake ids, now these are just real ids with this bit of plastic you stick over the birth year. It scratches off. How can I know this and bouncers can't?

Because a pub doesn't make money unless there are young attractive girls there.

While I may have overstated how much responsibility a pub should have for their patrons, I still believe that if you are in the service of getting people drunk you should also be in the service of making sure that when they leave they are capable of doing so safely... (Offering to call a cab may be as much as they can do, and they probably do.. Not that I've seen though). My local has a free van to drop you home. (Islington Tavern a.k.a. The Swamp)

How you know your sister and friends have fake IDs is because she is your sister maybe and you aren't have to check hundreds of id in dim light nor are you checking the ids whilst being hassled for delay the little darling access to the pub. Where is your responsibility to your sister by the way???

They aren't in the service of getting people drunk, in fact they get heavily fined a criticized for having drunks on the premises. There problem is people turning up already nearly drunk, holding it together just long enough to get past the bouncer. Does your sister and/or her friends know the best breath mints or whatever to cover the smell of booze as well?

Sorry but using the pubs as soft targets for lack or personal responsibility sucks. Yes like all businesses they have their issues and dodgy owners but they also carry the bigger burden and are more responsible than a lot of the competition, like dairies selling booze and 'legal' (not anymore) highs.

[scumdog]

So whose committing the crime??.

Pub I worked at confiscated so many fake licenses it wasnt funny! All handed to the police and no further follow up - I thought this was a crime. Also the one's that do get through the door on their fake licenses (remember its usually at night and doorways/entrances are not the best lit areas) when asked by the police to show their licenses say they don't have one and the pub gets done for serving underages.

I hear what you're saying but to prosecute every one of those people with false IDs would require two full time staff doing just that and nothing else.

[Katman]

Rather than start a new thread, this just in...

Are you desperate for attention?

[Parlane]

So whose committing the crime??.

Pub I worked at confiscated so many fake licenses it wasnt funny! All handed to the police and no further follow up - I thought this was a crime. Also the one's that do get through the door on their fake licenses (remember its usually at night and doorways/entrances are not the best lit areas) when asked by the police to show their licenses say they don't have one and the pub gets done for serving underages.

The nightclub in the crowne casino in Melbourne is amazing. First you get an id check at the bottom of the escalator(weeds out people who don't have id). Then you get your picture taken at the door and your id throughly checked.

Comes down to money(&time) I guess.

Pretty easy to do a scratch test on these id's though. And I believe the legal term is "id fraud". So yes my sisters friends should be the ones in trouble.

[scumdog]

Sorry but using the pubs as soft targets for lack or personal responsibility sucks. Yes like all businesses they have their issues and dodgy owners but they also carry the bigger burden and are more responsible than a lot of the competition, like dairies selling booze and 'legal' (not anymore) highs.

True dat!

Although some pubs let the under-aged and drunks in just to get that extra few $$$.

But too many pub-goers are too quick to blame the pub/bouncer/police when they get into the shit due to their own dishonesty, sneakiness and general drunken stupidity.
"They shouldn't have let me in when I was pissed and I wouldn't have got in the shit".

"They should have known I wasn't 18"

Best: "Aw, you can tell my ID has been changed so they shouldn't have let me in"

[Scuba_Steve]

Are you desperate for attention?

pot, kettle, black???

[Scuba_Steve]

True dat!

Although some pubs let the under-aged and drunks in just to get that extra few $$$.

But too many pub-goers are too quick to blame the pub/bouncer/police when they get into the shit due to their own dishonesty, sneakiness and general drunken stupidity.
"They shouldn't have let me in when I was pissed and I wouldn't have got in the shit".

"They should have known I wasn't 18"

Best: "Aw, you can tell my ID has been changed so they shouldn't have let me in"

Thats because we always wanna blame someone else right???...