"85 per cent of all crashes occur below the speed limit"

**spudchucka** · 24th November 2004, 09:53

Originally Posted by bear

The cops always use blanket statistics to report to the public, I think in this age more intelligent statistics are needed to be provided. The first message in this thread stated that the Police don't have regional statistics on revenue gained from speed cameras - bullsh*t! They just don't want to report it.
And reporting on the type of accidents that cause the most injuries or deaths would help the general public and allow us to concentrate on those scenarios.

Go have a look at the LTSA web site, there are dozens of graphs and stats showing what you say aren't published. Even stats of the most productive speed cameras are ther somewhere.

**Lou Girardin** · 29th November 2004, 19:12

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Go have a look at the LTSA web site, there are dozens of graphs and stats showing what you say aren't published. Even stats of the most productive speed cameras are ther somewhere.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics. LTSA uses all three to defend their cash flow.

**WINJA** · 29th November 2004, 19:58

Originally Posted by wkid_one

I gotta agree here to....whilst I think that riding at excessive speed on the open road is a risk you take...I have no tolerance for speeding in a 50kph zone.

I was knocked over by a driver doing 40kph past an emptying school (admittedly I ran across the road - aged 5) - but had they been doing 20 as is legal - I wouldn't have been hit as they would have stopped.

I would be gutted enough to hit anyone at 50kph - let alone be driving at 70kph in a residential area - fuck that.

At least if I do it on the open road - I am more than likely to only injure myself

5 YEAR OLD CHILDREN SHOULD BE SUPERVISED, THE ROAD IS NOT A PLAY GROUND. THATS NOT A SPEEDING ISSUE THATS A PARENTING ISSUE

**spudchucka** · 29th November 2004, 20:13

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

There are lies, damn lies and statistics. LTSA uses all three to defend their cash flow.

So does anyone who uses stats to push their message. We all know they can be used to preach a partial or one sided message, its up to people to hopefully use some intelligence to decifer the message.

**AMPS** · 30th November 2004, 12:58

Intelligence helps, but doing your own research is better. There are more credible sources out there than Monash University, TRRL in the UK is a good place to start.
Lou

**crazylittleshit** · 30th November 2004, 13:21

Insane goverment revenue Is going over board latley.
The logic behind it all is If you can afford a veichle then you must have extra money and we all know how much the goverment love there money.

**avgas** · 30th November 2004, 18:43

How does a speed camera stop an accident?
Horrific crash signs would be more effictive i think
I once heard a story of a guy that got 3 speed camera tickets before crashing into another car
food for thought

**scumdog** · 30th November 2004, 21:44

Originally Posted by avgas

How does a speed camera stop an accident?
Horrific crash signs would be more effictive i think
I once heard a story of a guy that got 3 speed camera tickets before crashing into another car
food for thought

Probably dumb enough to piss on a live electric fence more than once too...

**750Y** · 1st December 2004, 05:32

Originally Posted by scumdog

Probably dumb enough to piss on a live electric fence more than once too...

probably, after all... people who get speed camera tickets and other lawbreakers are obviously of lesser intelligence.

**Hooks** · 1st December 2004, 06:02

Well it has been my experience lately that I have had more near misses moving around town in the lower speed areas than on the open road !! People are continuously making last minute changes as they get their route sorted as they go ..... I tend to have a route in mind BEFORE I set off and so am better prepared for making the right decisions as to which lane I want and takes the panic out of riding in high density traffic. I get sick of the "you're on a bike so I can sqeeze over on top of you or I'll miss the turn" thinking !! They wouldn't do it to a truck or 4X4 !!

**spudchucka** · 1st December 2004, 08:04

Originally Posted by WINJA

5 YEAR OLD CHILDREN SHOULD BE SUPERVISED, THE ROAD IS NOT A PLAY GROUND. THATS NOT A SPEEDING ISSUE THATS A PARENTING ISSUE

And five year olds who are allowed to use the computer unsupervised should be taught how to use the Caps Lock key.

**marty** · 1st December 2004, 08:33

he's obviously never been to otara

**Lou Girardin** · 2nd December 2004, 20:11

This stuff is not new. The Government TRRL in the UK showed that the 'excessive speed is responsible for 30% of fatal accidents' line was misleading if not downright dishonest way back in 1996. Exceeding the speed limit is responsible for 7% of fatals. speed as a major factor is responsible for a further 5%. Monash Accident Research Centre and their LTSA lapdogs have vested interest in inflating these figures. For example, a car that leaves the road on a bend is automatically regarded to have been speeding.
They can't take 100's of millions in fines unless they present an argument to do so. This is it.
If speeding was so dangerous, why do so many cops do it?