Second-hand bikes with 30,000km on the clock?

[CRF119]

30,000 isnt much but that depends on how it was ridden and maintained. Its a bit of a gamble. What i would do is find a bike you like and serch the net for any factory problems it might have things that dont show up for years. Like my CBR900RR the engines are bullet proof apart from the cam chain tensioner fails and the gears jump out if its been abused, other wise they don't die. Mines sitting at 110,000km and im happy to keep it for another year or so.

In saying that my mate toasted his clutch on his 2008R1 within 15,000km.

Good luck.

[Richard Mc F]

actualy thats too easy who would want a 300kg whale with zillion miles from last millenium [/QUOTE]

ME ME ME my bloated old whale has 175000 km on the clock, my ancient ducati, you know the fragile unreliable ones has 95000 altough carjam says it is more like 105000, yes I have had the engine apart to replace the main bearings, result of accident damage by the previous owner, but then I am a slow old man, so slow old bikes suit me.

Bullshit aside a well maintained high km bike is betterer than some garage queen washed to within an inch of it's life without the benifit of carefull maintanence, I have seen such bikes with rooted chains, all the cables drier than a nun's, water blasted electrics, wheel bearings, head races etc, a maintanence nightmare in the making, bikes should be be treated like women, well lubricated, ridden hard and dirty.

See you on the road motherfuckers ( unless it's too wet cold or hot for you pussies, or you need to clean your bike again, I'll be riding)

[dipshit]

Maybe some 600 riders could comment on why they didn't go the 750?

$2k cheaper for a start. That's two grand I could throw at the suspension on the 600 instead to get a real nice handling bike.

Less hp sure. But then how much do you really need..??? The 600 is already capable of some fairly impressive performance figures that many supercars would be happy with and enough top speed to lose your licence without even trying. It doesn't matter what bike you have, you could still end up feeling like it could do with more hp. (like someone said about their 1000 a few posts back in this thread)

I believe there is more to the riding experience than just how much hp you have.

Like I was talking to a guy at a rally once that had an R1 and a VFR 400. He said he preferred riding the 400 more as he just loved the way it felt and road. That kind of blew me away at the time (owned a SV1000 then) and made me think about that a bit. Can remember one of the most fun and interesting bikes I had ever ridden was an RZ 350 that had a lot of setup and suspension work done on it and even though it didn't have a lot of hp - it was very rewarding to ride!

More than happy with the 600 with my 73 kgs onboard. Kind of the modern equivalent of what an RZ 350 was a couple of decades ago perhaps..???

Plus it is turning out to be quite easy on tyres and chains and gas etc so there is no reason not to just get on and ride.

[avgas]

Thanks for the commentsl. Really I think I'll have to take a few for a test drive then it's just a waiting game until the right bike comes along.
ACC levies aren't an issue so I'll be jumping at a 750 if the right one comes along. But then you ask why not a 1000? I am mainly communting and woud rather drive a mid-range bike fast-ish rather than chug along at 3k revs hardly getting out of 2nd. Really like the Daytonas but hard to find one in good condition under $10k. The bike hunt continues...

How confident are you on the bike. I know a few people that went from gutless heaps (GPX250's, FXR150's etc) to 600cc sport bikes and dropped them all within 2 weeks.
I 'commuted' in my 1000, didn't seem to bother it. Its better to pick bikes that don't have clip on bars if your going to commute more.

[KiwiNinja]

"clip on bars"?? What do you mean...

[Okey Dokey]

[QUOTE=dipshit;1129733949]
But then how much do you really need..???
I believe there is more to the riding experience than just how much hp you have.

I find the extra hp handy for when I have my ventura luggage on whilst touring, or carrying a pillion, and it gives the bike a more torquey and v-twin like feel, in that there is power throughout the range of gears. All that appeals to me.

[dipshit]

I find the extra hp handy for when I have my ventura luggage on whilst touring, or carrying a pillion, and it gives the bike a more torquey and v-twin like feel, in that there is power throughout the range of gears. All that appeals to me.

But then as you said... you haven't ridden a 600. And in particular a K8 and on.

Before shelling out for the 600, I did consider if I wanted to spend extra for the 750.

Some people that have ridden both say the difference in hp isn't as large as you would think. They both feel very similar in power delivery, only the 750 has a wee bit more everywhere. i.e... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthr...40#post3525840

And comparing a dyno of a K8 600 and 750 does show them to be very similar in delivery. Only the 750 has 12.5 more hp and 6 lbs-ft of torque...

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photog...r_comparos.jpg

Granted having a pillion on the back of my 600 (even a lightweight asian girl) does kill its acceleration. And these days I do go touring with only a toothbrush and change of underwear and motel accommodation pre booked with wotif.com

But in the end I chose to spend that extra $2k on an Ohlins TTX instead of the 12 hp.

[Hiflyer]

"clip on bars"?? What do you mean...

Clip on bars are handlebars that have an obvious clip onto the forks, just below the triple clamp.
From experience, the ninja 250 has clip on's above the triple clamp, but generally a sprots bike will have clip on's below the clamp,

bikes which have "bars" like my hornet, have an obvious "bent steel rod" (that's what she said) above the triple clamp, with the throttle and brake and clutch assembly on the ends

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong people

[miloking]

But then as you said... you haven't ridden a 600. And in particular a K8 and on.

Before shelling out for the 600, I did consider if I wanted to spend extra for the 750.

Some people that have ridden both say the difference in hp isn't as large as you would think. They both feel very similar in power delivery, only the 750 has a wee bit more everywhere. i.e... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthr...40#post3525840

And comparing a dyno of a K8 600 and 750 does show them to be very similar in delivery. Only the 750 has 12.5 more hp and 6 lbs-ft of torque...

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photog...r_comparos.jpg

Granted having a pillion on the back of my 600 (even a lightweight asian girl) does kill its acceleration. And these days I do go touring with only a toothbrush and change of underwear and motel accommodation pre booked with wotif.com

But in the end I chose to spend that extra $2k on an Ohlins TTX instead of the 12 hp.

I didnt know that the difference is only 12hp, thats almost not worth it! i am sure you can make that up later with nice exhaust and PCIII etc. (and still enjoy the lower rego fees) but maybe you need to get smaller asian girl if its noticable on 600
....only thing to consider is the 2k spent on TTX wont have nearly any resale value as opposed to higher resalle value of 750 but who buys new bikes and thinks of resale value???

[dipshit]

....only thing to consider is the 2k spent on TTX wont have nearly any resale value as opposed to higher resalle value of 750

I won't be selling the 600 with the TTX on. It will be coming off and sold separately with the standard shock back on the bike.

[Okey Dokey]

[QUOTE=dipshit;1129736503]

Some people that have ridden both say the difference in hp isn't as large as you would think. /QUOTE]

Yes, and at suzukicycle.org the statistics for my '05 750 are 155hp and 163kg. The '08 600 is 125hp and 163kg. So is it only 12hp difference, or is it 30hp difference?

[dipshit]

Yes, and at suzukicycle.org the statistics for my '05 750 are 155hp and 163kg. The '08 600 is 125hp and 163kg. So is it only 12hp difference, or is it 30hp difference?

That would be Suzuki's theoretical at the crank hp. A 750 does not make 155 hp at the rear wheel. Typically the 750 puts out around 120 hp and the 600 makes around 105 - 109 at the rear wheel. So the difference is around 10 or 15 at the wheel.

[Okey Dokey]

How many 750s were tested to give you that figure? If Suzuki made up hp, the other manufacturers would jump all over them, surely.

Apologies to the OP, as this is getting a bit off your original question, but while I understand why someone would choose not to buy the extra 250cc (and BTW, I find the stock suspension more than adequate for road riding, so don't need to spend money there), but it seems to me that there is no justification to imply the 750 is not as good as it is.

[dipshit]

How many 750s were tested to give you that figure? If Suzuki made up hp, the other manufacturers would jump all over them, surely.

Well not many people pay much attention to manufacturer's alleged hp figures anyhow. Usually the first thing a magazine test will do is throw one on a dyno and measure actual rear wheel hp for themselves. 155 at the rear wheel is more 1000 territory from a couple of years ago. I can assure you, you will not find any standard GSXR 750's putting out 155 at the rear wheel.

but while I understand why someone would choose not to buy the extra 250cc

The difference between a 600 and a 750 is 150cc

but it seems to me that there is no justification to imply the 750 is not as good as it is.

Of course the 750 is a fantastic bike and the extra hp is nice to have. If I was a larger build and weighed more around 100 kg... then yes, I probably would have gone for the 750 over the 600.

But as it stands the 600 also makes a very competent road bike in its own right. Heck, you can be cruising along at 140 kmh and the tac needle is only halfway to the redline. People saying that a 600 is working too hard on the road is probably more a psychological thing.

[Okey Dokey]

The difference between a 600 and a 750 is 150cc

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