Motorcycle accident myths - A public presentation on the facts

**Bald Eagle** · 19th May 2010, 21:44

the ppt has a password can not open

**Ocean1** · 19th May 2010, 22:29

Originally Posted by oldrider

Sorry, I can not open the first link. (Dispelling-Myths)

Originally Posted by Bald Eagle

the ppt has a password can not open

Click on "Read only"

You can't save it, but it'll be right here.

**p.dath** · 19th May 2010, 22:50

Originally Posted by oldrider

Sorry, I can not open the first link. (Dispelling-Myths)

You may not have a recent version of Powerpoint. Try the PDF versions I uploaded earlier.

**Bald Eagle** · 19th May 2010, 23:04

Originally Posted by p.dath

You may not have a recent version of Powerpoint. Try the PDF versions I uploaded earlier.

Thanks for that it works, ( My MAC version of msoft bugware just threw up the random Gates DRM error )

**monkeymcbean** · 19th May 2010, 23:29

That was a very interesting read indeed.

I hope these analysis of statistics are presented to the intelligent members of parliment.

**p.dath** · 19th May 2010, 23:37

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Click on "Read only"

You can't save it, but it'll be right here.

+1. You can probably go right click/"save link as" if you want to save it. Or look at the PDF versions I posted earlier.

**Bald Eagle** · 19th May 2010, 23:47

A very interesting read, a visibilty campaign like the UK ads which have been posted here in the past would be a good start to use the 'ring fenced for safety' part of the acc levy money they pillaging of us all.

**p.dath** · 20th May 2010, 08:03

I particularly like this part of the conclusion:

Conclusions
The New Zealand road safety strategy has been, and currently is, largely based on the Australian, Victorian Sate Government, road safety initiatives (Macpherson et al 1998, MOT 2009c). This has largely focused on the factors of alcohol and speed as being major contributors to motor vehicle accidents.

In the case of the motorcyclists, the current New Zealand road safety strategy, (MOT 2009a), stated their focus will be on four areas:
1. Targeted treatments of popular motorcycle routes, ie road surfaces, crash barriers etc.
2. Safer motorcycles for novice riders through limiting power the power to weight ratio of motorcycles to 150kw/tonne (0.15kw/kg).
3. Improve rider training and licensing.
4. Improve training and licensing of those returning to ride motorcycles.

Whilst these initiatives are admirable, and may go some way toward reducing the motorcycle accident rate, they still, fundamentally do not address the single largest determinant of accidents. As documented here, visibility, particularly the apparent difficulty that other road users have in seeing motorcyclists, is a substantial contributor to motorcycle accidents. Given this unambiguous conclusion, communication with the public about visibility, and enforcement measures geared toward greatly improving the visibility of motorcycles by other motorists should be a priority in all motor vehicle policy decisions and initiatives. A dispassionate analysis of the Ministry of Transport's CAS 2008 accident database demonstrates that speeding, alcohol, and inexperience are considerably less likely to result in accidents involving motorcycles and other vehicles. Though these potential causes of accidents should not be ignored, the effects of them - even when added together - are not as significant as the problem of motorcycle visibility.

**Katman** · 20th May 2010, 08:43

Originally Posted by p.dath

I particularly like this part of the conclusion:

Unfortunately, the governments answer to the visibility issue will simply be to make hi-viz vests compulsory.

I think we should be focusing more on our own ability to see and read situations.

**MSTRS:Me** · 20th May 2010, 08:53

I can't believe that we still have members here (Avgas and KM spring to mind) that continue with the farcical view that since we ride MCs, near 100% of crashes are our fault. What a crock of apologist bullshit. That view is like the battered women who blame themselves for their partner's violence towards them. Since it's "not the partner's fault" he doesn't have to change his behaviour.
As bikers, we can own, and do something about, what IS our fault and we can try to get our roadcraft skill level to the point where we are able to 'compensate' for the poor skills of others. It is about 50% of all crashes we are involved in that are NOT our fault. That's an awful lot of other parties that are excused by the above apologist view.

**Usarka** · 20th May 2010, 08:53

Originally Posted by Katman

Unfortunately, the governments answer to the visibility issue will simply be to make hi-viz vests compulsory.

Wow did you read that in the tea leaves, or in the dregs of your negativity juice?

**Genestho** · 20th May 2010, 08:53

Originally Posted by p.dath

I particularly like this part of the conclusion:

Is it known if Mr Lamb has put forth submissions, EDIT: Re:Mot proposals? Or is this analysis pretty recent, I am aware a few stakeholders have mentioned visibility and motorist education issues.

**avgas** · 20th May 2010, 08:59

Originally Posted by imac

Um so I'm walking along the street and a car (or bike or cyclst) crosses the curb and f**ks me over. It's my fault because I CHOSE to walk?
I'm not conviced by your argument

Nope - cars are not allowed on footpaths. hence the name. try again

**Katman** · 20th May 2010, 09:03

Originally Posted by MSTRS

I can't believe that we still have members here (Avgas and KM spring to mind) that continue with the farcical view that since we ride MCs, near 100% of crashes are our fault.

I've never said that John (and it shows how desperate you're becoming by suggesting that I have).

I do however believe that in nearly all motorcycle accidents there is something that the motorcyclist could have done to avoid or greatly lessen the severity of the accident.