Motorcycle accident myths - A public presentation on the facts

[Scuba_Steve]

...then do you think that wearing something to improve your visibility should also be a law, for the same reason? Remembering that the vast majority of accidents occur when a car pulls out in front of a motorcycle claiming they did not see the motorcycle.

Yes every Motorcyclist should be forced by law to carry (your choice of) a RPG-7, RPG-29 or RPG-32. ...That'll get us seen!

[MSTRS:Me]

It doesn't matter what we wear. If blind cagers don't see trains, buses or 40t trucks, what makes you think they'll see a hi-vis vested rider?

[RiderInBlack]

Yes every Motorcyclist should be forced by law to carry (your choice of) a RPG-7, RPG-29 or RPG-32. ...That'll get us seen!

Will do that happily when and if all road vechiles have to have their lights on 24/7 and all vechiles have to have a four inch hi-vis stripe all around them. Am sick of Drivers who don't try ta be more visible in poor conditions. My favourite are Police cars in the mist without there lights on and gray/white cars in the mist without their lights on.

[oldrider]

Please, PLEASE, no more bloody stupid laws, damn it we have enough of those now!

This process is about understanding the problem and taking appropriate action, not adding to the problem!

[p.dath]

Will do that happily when and if all road vechiles have to have their lights on 24/7 and all vechiles have to have a four inch hi-vis stripe all around them. Am sick of Drivers who don't try ta be more visible in poor conditions. My favourite are Police cars in the mist without there lights on and gray/white cars in the mist without their lights on.

Most road vehicles don't have a trouble seeing vehicles the same size as themselves or larger, so no point in them having additional visibility aides. And when they do fail to see a larger vehicle they seldom kill the driver of that larger vehicle.

[bogan]

Let me done my flame suit for a little while.

We have to wear motorcycle helmets because there is a clear link between a "bad" result in an accident and not wearing a helmet. This is a personal freedom that was removed from us. Should it have been?

If you do believe that wearing a helmet should remain a law, then do you think that wearing something to improve your visibility should also be a law, for the same reason? Remembering that the vast majority of accidents occur when a car pulls out in front of a motorcycle claiming they did not see the motorcycle.

If you don't believe there should be a helmet law, then I assume you also think that suicide should be legal? It's obviously a personal choice that the state has also removed from us.

wearing helmets shouldn't be a law, though in the biker test/training (that we should have) there should be a section informing the rider of consequences, I didn't realize comiting suicide was illegal, what's the penalty for that?

Please, PLEASE, no more bloody stupid laws, damn it we have enough of those now!

This process is about understanding the problem and taking appropriate action, not adding to the problem!

fucking aye, and appropriate action should focus on education rather than legislation.

[p.dath]

wearing helmets shouldn't be a law, though in the biker test/training (that we should have) there should be a section informing the rider of consequences, I didn't realize comiting suicide was illegal, what's the penalty for that?

Actually, attempted suicide is illegal. I think their are around 3,000 attempted [but unsucessful] suicides resulting in hospitilsiation each year (apparently attempting suicide is even more dangerous than driving a car!). I know someone in that industry, and I think that's the numbers they told me.

I'm not sure of the penalty. But you can be detained for your own safety.

[RiderInBlack]

Most road vehicles don't have a trouble seeing vehicles the same size as themselves or larger, so no point in them having additional visibility aides. And when they do fail to see a larger vehicle they seldom kill the driver of that larger vehicle.

What a lot of dribble. I know from personal experience that in poor conditions I've personally have had difficulty seeing larger vehicles even while driving the van if the other vehicle has not turned their lights on. By the way a motorbike hitting the driver door can be fatal for the driver and the rider can be thrown clear. Do not ASS-U-ME that you are safe driving ya 4x4 urban tank, thinking that everyone can see ya under all conditions, and that ya think ya will come off better in an accident. It's that kind of thinking that makes the roads very unsafe for all.

[MSTRS:Me]

Most road vehicles don't have a trouble seeing vehicles the same size as themselves or larger, so no point in them having additional visibility aides. And when they do fail to see a larger vehicle they seldom kill the driver of that larger vehicle.

That 'most' don't generally pose a problem for riders either. It's the other ones that are the problem. If they don't see or perceive a B-train as a threat to them, nothing we do will make them see us. So, forget the visibility thing, we must hone our 'spidey senses' to avoid them.

[Katman]

So, forget the visibility thing, we must hone our 'spidey senses' to avoid them.

Steady on John - that could just about be something that I would say.

[RiderInBlack]

So, forget the visibility thing, we must hone our 'spidey senses' to avoid them.

Yep I "listen" ta my "spidey senses" riding too, but sometimes they go on the blink. They are handy when driving other vehicles too. It's called defensive driving/riding. ALL Road users should use it, but they don't.

[MSTRS:Me]

Steady on John - that could just about be something that I would say.

Really? It must be all in the way it's said then, eh?

[MSTRS:Me]

It's called defensive driving/riding. ALL Road users should use it, but they don't.

Sadly, there are a lot out there who don't even realise it exists...and they operate all types of vehicles.
They are the one's that are killed by bigger vehicles. Or kill those in smaller ones.

[gunnyrob]

Dear boys & girls, professor Lamb has sent me a copy of his presentation and report. Enjoy & respect.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129758221

[mashman]

It helps when people driving vehicles actually realise that they're driving vehicles, not doing their makeup, or texting, or talking to passenger, on phone etc... vehicles that are metal boxes generously padded with airbags... so she'll be right... go take a look at any busy supermarket car park... it's a fuckin car park, there's next to no speed involved and yet there's all sorts of dings and a fuck up nearly every time a car backs out... I often amuse myself by having my smoko by the car park and whincing at the abysmal skills of drivers... i don't believe that people are concentrating in cars, not on the road anyway... too many distractions... and when that lapse occurs on a bike, it can cost us our lives very quickly... especially with the airbag brigade screaming their head off to Abba greatest hits... BANG!

They are my observations and it's my kids that like Abba