ACC full of crap: caught with pants around the ankles!

[Pixie]

Acc spokesman came back with a figure of 25% of motorcycle accidents involved only one vehicle....... I wonder where that figure came from,

Scientia ex rectum

[Smifffy]

Maybe no ACC compensation for the first month...Bit of an incentive..

The first month IMO is when the bulk of the compo should come. I have no problem paying for someone to get patched up after an accident, it's some of this ongoing bullshit stuff for supposed rehab that I object to. I don't see why I should have to subsidise top of the line boots for someone to go hunting after they've had an accident and claim they can no longer wear a standard boot. (An example I've heard of)

[duckonin]

You are joking. Aren't you?

NO !!!! Not at all...What would you suggest as an incentive then??

'My responce was to post 28 katman'

[Pixie]

So how do you propose we get those that can do something about those things to listen to us?

'Cos all I can hear from the powers that be is little more than contempt filled sniggering.

Perhaps an attitude shift among motorcyclists might go some way towards convincing them that we have real concerns that need addressing.

Get out of the motorcycle industry,Katman.
You are an enabler - contributing to the deaths of countless poor kiwis.
Like a drug pusher mitigating his guilt by providing sterile hypodermic syringes.

[bogan]

NO !!!! Not at all...What would you suggest as an incentive then??

oh I dunno, self preservation perhaps? I fail to see how money is going to make a difference when the much bigger downside to an accident is still gonna be serious personal injury or death.

[MSTRS:Me]

NO !!!! Not at all...What would you suggest as an incentive then??

ACC is still a no fault scheme. It;s supposed to be a 'one size fits all' system. There can't be any incentives.

[Smifffy]

ACC is still a no fault scheme. It;s supposed to be a 'one size fits all' system. There can't be any incentives.

The biggest incentive seems to be to be 18 and fearless in a chopped and channeled WRX or EVO, rather than a 40 year old with a family to care for, riding a cruiser or goldwing

[duckonin]

ACC is still a no fault scheme. It;s supposed to be a 'one size fits all' system. There can't be any incentives.

True....+1 I was only generalizeing

[Katman]

ACC is still a no fault scheme. It;s supposed to be a 'one size fits all' system. There can't be any incentives.

All too often we read on here "Bugger, written off my bike again. Oh well, at least I get to going bike shopping again".

Six months later we're reading the same story all over again.

That size doesn't fit me.

[MSTRS:Me]

All too often we read on here "Bugger, written off my bike again. Oh well, at least I get to going bike shopping again".

Six months later we're reading the same story all over again.

That size doesn't fit me.

But that's insurance. To cover the vehicle only. Where the cover is tailored to the individual/risk and the premium/excess/conditions of policy change dependent on that individual's history.

[Katman]

But that's insurance. To cover the vehicle only. Where the cover is tailored to the individual/risk and the premium/excess/conditions of policy change dependent on that individual's history.

And quite frankly, I have no problem whatsoever with ACC taking the same approach.

[MSTRS:Me]

And quite frankly, I have no problem whatsoever with ACC taking the same approach.

Really? Then why are you pissy about paying more because fuckwits keep hurting themselves? Those fuckwits don't pay extra/get less, do they? And all us 'safe, responsible' riders get to subsidise them.

[JMemonic]

No he didn't. All he said was that motorcyclists were often at fault - then went on to add that 25% were single vehicle accidents.

I'm not surprised you failed School C.

Simply I don't like you and stand by my earlier statements about you, that aside how the hell does that 25% go with their, (and by their I mean that spokesman's), previous statements that the majority of motorcycle accidents are solo accidents with no other party involved?

At the end of the day there are things that can be done but hiking up the ACC fee when in 40% of accidents there is a whoops did not see the motorcycle admitted, how many folks are scared to admit they didn't see the bike? If that figure went up by 11% then it would really change the figures.

I am surprised admissions of didn't see the bike is so high given human nature, and of course dick heads like yourself would say that is the motorcyclists fault but you never offer any real suggestion as to how to solve this "issue", step down off your soapbox and fade into the background until you can offer practical suggestions to the problems, Your bleating on about "I was a motorcycle courier in London and survived" means two shakes of sod all if you never offer practical solutions, oh and here's a suggestion as a starter driver training, your nothing but part of the problem.

[Katman]

Simply I don't like you and stand by my earlier statements about you, that aside how the hell does that 25% go with their, (and by their I mean that spokesman's), previous statements that the majority of motorcycle accidents are solo accidents with no other party involved?

Care to point out where he says that the majority of motorcycle accidents are solo accidents?

http://www.3news.co.nz/Motorcyclists...0/Default.aspx

[MSTRS:Me]

The % of this/that/other accident type is somewhat meaningless.
ACC are very keen to throw in the "40% are single bike accidents", but they cannot say that it was rider fault. Human error is always present (and that is a subtle difference to 'fault'). There are also issues of other outside forces that may be involved (road surface, animals, mechanical failure, other vehicle being avoided, etc)
Of the other 60% of accidents, near 70% of those were the direct result of another vehicle, usually 4 wheeled being at fault (again, human error or other can apply). Which leaves the other 30% - which splits into where the rider is deemed to be at fault (once again, human error etc) or shares the fault.
Simply put, for all bike accidents approx 40% is driver's fault, 50% is rider's fault, and the remaining 10% is perhaps a sharing of fault.
What rankles is that ACC STILL tout themselves as a no fault scheme, yet they use (dodgy) stats attributing fault to us, but downplay or ignore the others that make up the stats.