To all friends of Backfire/Rayza

[RiderInBlack]

Less We Forget (for those who are wondering what this is about) :
Fatal accident involving Back Fire/Razya on SH1. 20 Oct, 2007

[RiderInBlack]

Bump because this is for all of us not just Dan & his family.

[candor]

A lawyer is only going to be able to ask questions you provide him, they will not contribute as such to the outcome because of their skills as a lawyer,.

If its open and shut (which usually won't lead to an Inquest) then no lawyer needed. Ours wasn't open and shut... the lawyer we hired was invaluable. Needed to be for 15 g for the day + a few days prep (apparently thats very reasonable to deal with about 3 big issues) of resource materials we spent much longer gathering. We could not have achieved what he did, and we were well advised by him to use a lawyers services despite struggling with cost.

He used all of his training to corner evasive witnesses including Drs and Police, rile them so they would admit things that they otherwise wouldn't have etc. He was also able to argue against their lawyers objections to having them answer certain questions. It is not that informal - the Coroner has the same powers as a Judge to stop or permit lines of questioning, so if anyone is likely to be evasive it's good to have a lawyer. The lawyer can also sniff out laws and legal responsibilities as these apply to agencies eg Transit... so as to highlight any shortcomings.

Without a lawyer I'm certain the witnesses lawyers would have prevented the truth coming out, and therefore good recommendations.
My relation was a victim, but I imagine that if people have any fault on them a lawyer might help too with getting any irrelevant "smear" type info suppressed, that might upset people eg children if made public. Just thought. If the victim died due to the actions of another motorist then I think you can maybe now ask a legal aid listed lawyer to do the job for you with an immediate write off (check that). If he wasn't anothers' victim then you only have to pay for legal aid if you ever sell major assets.

[PrincessBandit]

This is a tragic thing for any family to have to go through and the nature of his death is particularly hard. It must also be difficult asking for help at a time like this. My thoughts are with his family as they have this unpleasant event coming and hope that they will have the support of extended family, friends and strangers. Whether or not people contribute financially is entirely up to them, but monetary assistance is not the only form of support available.

I certainly wish them strength as they face this inquest and hope that there are answers which can give them closure. Answers may not always be of the nature we want, but can at least provide some understanding and ways to go forward.

[MSTRS:Me]

I'd love to be able to contribute financially or in person, but currently cannot (sorry). All I can do is say I'm there in spirit, and hope the answers you (and we) need are forthcoming.

[sunhuntin]

theres something very wrong when someone takes a media and police report as gospel. there was one witness to this accident, and i got the chance to speak to him not long after it happened. i know who to believe and it sure as fuck aint the cops or the media. as RIB said, if you want to stir the pot, start a new thread and leave this one to those with some respect and sympathy for those involved.

[Foxzee]

With all due respect, most of us are aware how Dan lost his life.

Coming on here asking for money is nothing short of tacky.

Oil your dick....might make your comments easier to swallow!

To the family: My thoughts are with you...having been through an inquest recently myself I understand the stress and emotion that is involved...comforting words to us were "This is a Court of no blame"

[Big Dog]

I'd like to know what it is that is hoped to be achieved by the Coroners Inquest.

To get some closure in the matter of the loss of their son.
To get some matters of opinion corrected to the facts.

To me it does not matter the outcome of the inquest beyond if the opinion currently being floated around by people such as yourself is accepted as fact we will never be rid of WRB's and a young mans family will have to live with him being vilified when he cannot defend himself. There is more to this than meets the eye but you made your mind up a long time ago and closed the case.

Forget the fact that you have an opinion, or even imagine for a moment that your opinion does not matter.

These are members of KB?
Long Term Members of KB?
Who have been there when others needed help?
Did you have to have 2c?
Are you innocent?

[Ryder]

Sorry that *some* here just have to spout their opinion ad nauseum, regardless of who it hurts. Most of us are 100% behind you and the process to get at the truth of what happened.

I don't mind people having an opinion and i don't mind if it differs from mine. people are entitled to an opinion. what i do mind is people purposely being offensive and nasty and not using common sense and thinking to themselves ok this is going to offend some people and upset them lets not post it.

I have been absolutely taken back by the kindness and generosity of the majority of KB'ers that have replied to this thread. If nothing else, i feel it has helped restore a little of my faith in humanity. I am sure my parents probably feel the same.

[Ryder]

You're easily amused

yes...yes he is! once he finally clicks!...many weeks later! tehehe

[Big Dog]

yes...yes he is! once he finally clicks!...many weeks later! tehehe

Are you saying we should get him a laser pointer for Christmas so he is entertained on New Years?


Now that's harsh.

[Ryder]

Are you saying we should get him a laser pointer for Christmas so he is entertained on New Years?


Now that's harsh.

no...

i'm saying we should get him two! ....and maybe a model orangewing! bwahaha

[avgas]

harsh much...

Yep. its called honesty.
If you want to grate your own wounds and be a masochist so be it. But I won't hand you the knife.
Friends tell friends when there is a problem - And I can see a downward spiral for you if you take this path.

The rest on here are simply paying faith money (religious agenda), or paying money as your agenda matches theirs (cheesecutter).
I would only pay you money as a friend, to help you through this period of pain and heartache.
How often has a stranger told you they would pay for you to relax and enjoy life.

[Ryder]

Yep. its called honesty.
If you want to grate your own wounds and be a masochist so be it. But I won't hand you the knife.
Friends tell friends when there is a problem - And I can see a downward spiral for you if you take this path.

The rest on here are simply paying faith money (religious agenda), or paying money as your agenda matches theirs (cheesecutter).
I would only pay you money as a friend, to help you through this period of pain and heartache.
How often has a stranger told you they would pay for you to relax and enjoy life.

Thank you for your honesty. i appreciate the intent behind your words. I wish i could explain to you why we need to do this. I have to fight for my baby brother. he is not here to do it himself.

i have two options - sit back and so called "relax and enjoy life" or i can do what i believe to be the right thing and stand up and fight.

i choose to stand up and fight. i cannot just walk away. it would mean a lifetime of guilt and much worse.

nothing in this world will ever bring him back. if i could switch places with him i would. i would give anything to feel his hugs again and hear his voice. unfortunately the reality is hes gone. my heart aches from the weight that has been placed upon it. i have a hole where there should be happiness a lot of the time. a have very few joys left in my live. i need closure. fighting is the only way i will ever get closure and the only way my brother will ever be able to rest in peace.

i hope you can at least try and look at things from my perspective.

all i want is the truth. if the boy was at fault the so bet it. if he wasn't then great. i just want the truth to come out.

[Mom]

First I want to make it really clear that I am not associated with the family of Dan in any way, and have no idea of the ins and outs, or whys wherefores, or any other thing to do with this issue.

I have held off responding to this thread as I dont want to generate any more "off topic" discussion however...

Dans death was referred to the coroner, he/she has investigated all aspects of how Dan died. It is a formal process that has to be done when there is some doubt about the how's and why's of a sudden death. It was not the families decision for this to happen. All road deaths are referred to the coroner.

Dans death became an issue for 2 reasons, one, his bike appeared to have broken in two pieces, and two, he suffered a catastrophic injury on the WRB's when he parted company from his bike. That is all that we know.

What I do know however is this family have not been able to move forward, or to put this matter to bed or any other way of saying "get on with life" while this inquest is hanging over them. I have no doubt the dark days are a regular part of their lives. How incredibly sad. It is bad enough to lose a son and brother, but to be still living through the "process" after so much time has passed is cruel.

I cant offer financial support, I am not close enough to the family to offer moral support in a physical way, I dont know them well enough anyway, but I can defend them when they call for help. They have chosen this way, I can believe they are at the end of their emotional resources to deal with the inquest and want/need legal representation, I have no doubt they are at the end of their financial resources.

Will the knockers please FUCK OFF! out of this thread. Go start your own one. This family dont need any more crap given to them to satisfy your personal agenda/s. Have a fucken heart, if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing!

Consider yourselves told!