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    My 2c if you are a MXer and race every weekend, for sure your bike is going to need a rebuild, thats the nature of the beast, be it 2t or 4t.
    But for most here, who mostly trail ride or only ride certain events you should get a good run out of your bike.
    If you are for ever doing major maintenance, i would look at what I am doing or not doing.
    If you do your regular oil and filter, change/clean and any other periodic factory recomended check, you should get a good run out of your 4T thumper.

    Regular checks and maintenance, the key to saving money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B0000M View Post
    another for the 2 stroke is cheaper vote.

    example - a mate just did a full top end on his crf - new valves, springs, piston, rings, etc etc etc, cost $750~ in parts alone.
    for my 2 stroke its $230 for a full top end. though does need doing more often.

    another guy just did a top end, using new valves as well, then the valves failed.... and now its even more fucked and even more costly-

    this vs $50 worth of reeds, which dont destroy pistons and cylinders - ill take the reeds any day.


    still comes down to rider preference though. some people just cant ride (handle) a 2 stroke, others find 4 strokes boring.
    Yeah, but I went through more expansion chambers than valves, plus the fuel cost is almost half on a 4stroke so don't think theres much in it.

    If you blow them up a 2 stroke is cheaper to fix, but like I said, with the correct maintenace this shouldn't happen to either 4 or 2. Maybe the guy needs to look at this more as it might not be the bikes fault. The amount of broken bikes i've looked at "that were running mint before" but look like half of woodhill is in the airbox is untrue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy View Post
    My 2c if you are a MXer and race every weekend, for sure your bike is going to need a rebuild, thats the nature of the beast, be it 2t or 4t.
    But for most here, who mostly trail ride or only ride certain events you should get a good run out of your bike.
    If you are for ever doing major maintenance, i would look at what I am doing or not doing.
    If you do your regular oil and filter, change/clean and any other periodic factory recomended check, you should get a good run out of your 4T thumper.

    Regular checks and maintenance, the key to saving money.
    yep, pretty much
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    Any more than 2 strokes is a wank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupe View Post
    Nah it's on 195hrs, the valves are all still in spec and haven't moved in 100hrs, the cylinder still has the hone marks etc. Everything is mint inside.

    the late model 4strokes don't cost much to run, unless you are slack with your preventative maintenace.

    Whats your maintenace schedule on the RMZ?
    I have an hour meter so change the oil every 6 hours and the oil filter every 12, clean the air filter and oil using no toil every 6 hours as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by barty5 View Post
    hows many hrs has it done ???
    85 sin the last rebuild and that was a top and bottom end.

    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcr250 View Post
    i know someone whos selling a good enduro 2T bike lol
    If it's a KTM -> read bike that costs 100% more and would be lucky to be 5% better, then I am not interested.

    Quote Originally Posted by B0000M View Post
    another for the 2 stroke is cheaper vote.

    example - a mate just did a full top end on his crf - new valves, springs, piston, rings, etc etc etc, cost $750~ in parts alone.
    for my 2 stroke its $230 for a full top end. though does need doing more often.

    another guy just did a top end, using new valves as well, then the valves failed.... and now its even more fucked and even more costly-

    this vs $50 worth of reeds, which dont destroy pistons and cylinders - ill take the reeds any day.
    Yeah that is what would make me consider it.

    Quote Originally Posted by B0000M View Post
    still comes down to rider preference though. some people just cant ride (handle) a 2 stroke, others find 4 strokes boring.
    I think if you find fours boring, you're probably not working them hard enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by yokel View Post
    Any more than 2 strokes is a wank
    And who doesn't enjoy a good w@nk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupe View Post
    Yeah, but I went through more expansion chambers than valves, plus the fuel cost is almost half on a 4stroke so don't think theres much in it.
    What the heck were you doin to your expansion chamber? Heres how to clean it with an oxy torch.


    2T Maintenance? wet and forget is my motto. 200+ hours before I crack open the barrel on the enduro 300. Gear Oil change? Maybe I'll give it a X'mas prezzie if I feel the clutch dragging.
    Regular Air Filter cleaning with degreasing detergent and she'll be right.
    Like a previous post, I got rid of my 4T KTM very quickly, coz everytime I started it, all I would hear was the whirr of the chain and the tappety tap of the lifters and all I could think about was $$$$$$$ if it grenaded. No amount of 10hr oil change regime would give me peace of mind over that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motor_mayhem View Post
    I have an hour meter so change the oil every 6 hours and the oil filter every 12, clean the air filter and oil using no toil every 6 hours as well.
    Air filter should be after every single ride. If you suck shit through the valves don't last too long, cheaper to just clean the filter.
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    [QUOTE=oldskool;1129765581]
    2T Maintenance? wet and forget is my motto. 200+ hours before I crack open the barrel on the enduro 300. Gear Oil change? Maybe I'll give it a X'mas prezzie if I feel the clutch dragging.
    Regular Air Filter cleaning with degreasing detergent and she'll be right.
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    Good luck with that!!!!
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    Daily Maintenance should be similar on both depending on your handbook specs but I did hear oil changes on 4t's are more often? My 200exc is every 20hrs I do it between 10 and 15 hrs which is quite a few rides.
    But clean bike, air filter and Airbox, oill fork tubes and chain after every ride even if the hour meter only shows 2 hrs riding. Brakes, tyres, forks, shocks should be similar between the 4t and 2t as well. I agree with Rupe clean filter every ride, very important on any bike!!!

    My smokers get stripped every 50 hours usually its a piston kit then next 50 only rings depending on how it measures up (high revving 125's need more). Now that I'm on an exc I could shift that out to 100 hrs but I probably won't be able to help myself from looking in there, somewhere between 50 and 100 hrs. Bearing in mind Danger got 400 hours out of his 200exc and he is a lot quicker than me and runs much finer tuning. So the production 2T enduro bike should be much cheaper in the long haul to maintain!

    Replacing a piston and rings is very similar between the two in time and money, which is being constantly put forward as a case for maintenance being similar?? But the way I see it this is simply not the case, sooner or later you will need to do valves, valve springs, timing chain, chain tensioner valve reseat/grind and all that goes with it. Whether that be at 50 hours or 250 hours??

    If you can afford to buy a new bike put 100 or 150 hrs on it then flick it off then all well and good! But a lot of people are finding that they can only afford to buy this bike, instead of a new one, and they are the ones getting caught with the 2K top end refurbish that they cannot do themselves or get a mate to do. Because it is a 4T a shop has to do it. Sooner or later somewhere along the ownwership chain this will happen, so no one can convince me a 4T is comparable over its life to a 2T in regards to maintenance, and as per a previous comment thats why the shops like selling them. Mind you I do hear (true or not??) that Ktm (and to a large extent because they have stuck to their 2smokers) are now the highest selling dirt bike worldwide, with the 300exc being the bike of choice. I predicted that the japs would regret their decision to trash 2T's and go after the big bucks, the market is deciding.

    Now touching quickly on ride-ability there is no doubt in my mind the 4T delivers its power better for overall speed than the 2T. I'd probably climb those hills better at the sandpit on a 4T and even make it up more than I do now. If I was racing MX its a 4T for sure they are simply faster because of their power delivery. But for me there's much more fun in dancing 2T over the whoop's at speed and feeling the sting of the power even if it means I don't make it up the odd sandhill, which is a rider failure not the bikes. With the power valve adjustment and tuning I have just changed my bike from a sedate kdx type bike to a much more smack you in the arse type bike its a completely different bike from say when Boom or A&R rode it last. I can't see you doing this so easily to a 4T either, they don't have a power valve and if you tune them rich they don't lug around like a 2t they simply don't go. My 2hundy will lug a bit like a 4t I just keep forgetting to not twist the bloody throttle. So its 2smokers for me they are simply more fun to play with, on and maintain.
    Just wait till direct injection (or similar) hits, its looking like same power delivery and power out of a 250 2T as a 450 4T delivers. Mark my words when they stop 2smokers from smoking you will all be riding them, there is simply no way do deny the efficiency and power output of the engine.
    Everyone knows I'm a 2smoke man but have tried to keep the above as balanced as I can. Just my 2c??
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    you didnt add in power vallves for 2T which can fail drop etc etc and can cause a real bad mess extra movin part for a 2T
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    why is it people still seam to think that doing a overhaul on a 4T is something a shop has to do really it not that hard i built my 1st XR200 20 odd years ago from a manual having never pulled a bike apart before 2T or a 4T and the dang thing ran mint had it for a good 9 month before i sold it of after building it. Hell it like dot to dot just line up the marks and your done real easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barty5 View Post
    you didnt add in power vallves for 2T which can fail drop etc etc and can cause a real bad mess extra movin part for a 2T
    I've Never heard of a power valve failing to the point it jambs a piston in all my years of karting and bikes with regular maintence. From what I can remember from most of the kart engines I've had apart the shape of it pretty much prevents this and its very rare although you must know of a case to raise the point I suppose.
    If we are going to start scaremongering I bet there is a shit load more 4T's ( road and trail) that smash up valves and pistons because of timing chain tensioner, timing chain and valve failiers. But I will admit I'm guessing there.

    Look we can all start quoting extreme cases?? and go tit for tat or case vs case?? My post was (my opinion only) on the overall cost of running a 2T vs a 4T. The thread was "2 stroke vs 4 stroke maintenance". Look you guys on 4T's good on ya!! If I was young enough to race MX I'd be on one too ( i've never owned anything but a 4T road bike!) and I have a CRF150 now! But I stand by my opinion a 2T is simply cheaper to own, for twice the power, for the same CC rating, over the life of the bike. Nuff said I don't want to turn this into a argument?
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    next time your in the shop ill show what a damaged power valve looks like that i pulled from a motor last year trashed the barrel and the piston
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    hondas more recent power valves have very few moving parts to fail

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    Quote Originally Posted by barty5 View Post
    next time your in the shop ill show what a damaged power valve looks like that i pulled from a motor last year trashed the barrel and the piston
    That would have to be a pretty rare case I'd say. More likely to have a ring break on a 2 stroke than that happen.

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