Interesting reading - speed limit tolerance

[phill-k]

This is interesting reading

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...-pace-on-speed

If as they say it has had an effect, that's good, but they also need to consider that if they have had a constant high presence on the road, this won't only have an effect on speed but also concentration, and thus people paying more attention to their driving.
Speed on its own does not kill, it it the ability or lack there of, of the person behind the wheel.

[NZsarge]

Yes I believe it has far more to do with Police presence rather the a reduction of 5kph in their tolerance and that in it's self is a no brainer really. I also think they should pay more attention to slow moving traffic that has a lot of traffic backed up behind them.

[p.dath]

I think the increased Police presence on the road and not enforcing a 5km/h tolerance will be related to the change the Police are seeing.

Would be interesting to know the average speed on their roads compared to the rest of the country - which the Police say is currently 96km/h - already below the legal limit.

[CookMySock]

"Saying that it has had an effect" is hearsay. Where are there before and after results? Those are some of the widest and safest roads in the whole country.

I'd say he is more trying to prove his peers wrong and be a hero to his own industry. Picture him speaking at some conference to huge applause.


Steve

[Kickaha]

Where are there before and after results?

Between November 2008 and April 2009 a total of 24 people died on Taupo area's roads compared with three in the same period 2009 to 2010.

Didn't you read that bit?

[CookMySock]

Between November 2008 and April 2009 a total of 24 people died on Taupo area's roads compared with three in the same period 2009 to 2010.

Didn't you read that bit?

Nope. LOL.

Steve

[Murray]

Those are some of the widest and safest roads in the whole country.

Steve

I would say I have seen some of the worst driving ever between Taupo and Taurangi and some of the passing on the windy bits in the desert road is unbelievable. Definately not wide and safe in my book.

The presence is what it is all about, having a 5km less tolerance than the rest of the country would make stuff all difference. 5Km pffttt

[Ocean1]

Didn't you read that bit?

Actually, neither did I.

I've given up taking any notice of the sub-set stat's presented in favour of any gov't policy.

In that area the weather makes that much difference, and more.

[Scuba_Steve]

Speed has never killed anyone, & its used as a cop out. If someone crashes at 80km/h in 100km/h area they'll go looking for driver mistake/inability, road conditions, mechanical etc. But if they were doing 120km/h its was "speed" thats bullshit! it was the same reasons just at a faster speed, then they have this 4km/h tolerance bull saying "speed is killing us", well most of the deaths actually happen within the speed limit so if anything speed is saving us. Also if speed is such a killer explain the autobahn a road with some of the fastest speeds & least deaths.

Then theres Northern Territory in OZ -
"Up until 2007, rural roads in the Northern Territory, Australia had no speed limit. Claiming that speed limits were essential to saving lives, the state government imposed a 130km/h (80 MPH) limit on the Stuart, Arnhem, Victoria and Barkly highways and a 110km/h (68 MPH) speed limit on all other roads, unless otherwise marked lower. Despite the best of intentions, however, the number of road deaths actually increased 70 percent after the change -- despite worldwide drop in traffic levels"

and as far as cameras go -
"UK/Australia study shows speed cameras reversed a decades-long trend toward fewer accidents."
"The net result of years of speed cameras in Britain and Australia is that road speeds have not slowed significantly, the downward trend in serious accidents and fatalities has been almost totally lost, hundreds of thousands of the safest drivers are convicted each year and the goodwill between law abiding citizens and the police is evaporating. In the midst of all this, British and Australian State governments are selling their speed campaigns as a great success. Don't believe it." - Dr. Alan Buckingham

[flyingcrocodile46]

Speed has never killed anyone, & its used as a cop out. If someone crashes at 80km/h in 100km/h area they'll go looking for driver mistake/inability, road conditions, mechanical etc. But if they were doing 120km/h its was "speed" thats bullshit! it was the same reasons just at a faster speed, then they have this 4km/h tolerance bull saying "speed is killing us", well most of the deaths actually happen within the speed limit so if anything speed is saving us. Also if speed is such a killer explain the autobahn a road with some of the fastest speeds & least deaths.

Then theres Northern Territory in OZ -
"Up until 2007, rural roads in the Northern Territory, Australia had no speed limit. Claiming that speed limits were essential to saving lives, the state government imposed a 130km/h (80 MPH) limit on the Stuart, Arnhem, Victoria and Barkly highways and a 110km/h (68 MPH) speed limit on all other roads, unless otherwise marked lower. Despite the best of intentions, however, the number of road deaths actually increased 70 percent after the change -- despite worldwide drop in traffic levels"

and as far as cameras go -
"UK/Australia study shows speed cameras reversed a decades-long trend toward fewer accidents."
"The net result of years of speed cameras in Britain and Australia is that road speeds have not slowed significantly, the downward trend in serious accidents and fatalities has been almost totally lost, hundreds of thousands of the safest drivers are convicted each year and the goodwill between law abiding citizens and the police is evaporating. In the midst of all this, British and Australian State governments are selling their speed campaigns as a great success. Don't believe it." - Dr. Alan Buckingham

Exactly. The police are simply lying their fucking arses off to protect the revenue stream

[shrub]

Between November 2008 and April 2009 a total of 24 people died on Taupo area's roads compared with three in the same period 2009 to 2010.

Didn't you read that bit?

As someone with some understanding of statistical analysis, there is a golden rule: correlation is not cause. Given the dramatic difference and the very short period I would say that there are many other factors at play here, and our noble Police Ossifer is using a statistical anomaly to support his position.

[Scuba_Steve]

our noble Police Ossifer is using a statistical anomaly to support his position.

But if you take that away from them almost none of their statistics work...
after all There are 3 types of lies in this world. "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics"

[shrub]

But if you take that away from them almost none of their statistics work...
after all There are 3 types of lies in this world. "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics"

I can find statistics that have been much more scientifically collated that point very strongly to a DECREASE in road fatalities when open road speed limits are increased. People also forget that there are all kinds of different speeds - driving around town I think a 4 kmh tolerance is entirely fair because in many places 50 kmh is too fast, but on an open highway 104 kmh is not dangerous, and in fact 120 kmh may be safer. We have a "one size fits all" mentality that is doing us no favours.

[davebullet]

I'm thinking of asking my doctor to diagnose me with an infringement intolerance or police intolerance. That way, I can present it when I next get pulled over and argue it is against my health and could result in an allergic reaction to receive a ticket.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm thinking of asking my doctor to diagnose me with an infringement intolerance or police intolerance. That way, I can present it when I next get pulled over and argue it is against my health and could result in an allergic reaction to receive a ticket.

ROTFLMFAO