Arguments for and against the 4 km/hr cap

[shrub]

Our beloved masters are crowing with delight over the record low road toll for Liz's birthday weekend, and the correlation of this with their 4 kmh cap has led them to attribute this incredibly smart, innovative and effective approach to road safety (me, sarcastic?) with the low road toll, so I was expecting to see An Announcement from the lovely Paula soon enough to advise us that 10 kmh had gone.

But maybe not, just as Our Beloved Masters will argue for their reduced cap, a compelling argument against it has emerged. Using the blunt instrument of correlation, I have identified the following arguments against it:
1. The post-weekend road toll is significantly higher than normal
2. Over Queens birthday weekend record rainfall fell in many areas around NZ resulting in devastating flooding
3. An Indian taxi driver's wife and daughter were murdered

So, using the statistical tool of correlation (please do not use the spurious word in this thread) we can say that there is a direct correlation between post-weekend death toll, flooding and the murder rate amongst Indian taxi driver's families and a 4 kmh cap. Therefore we are faced with some questions: do we lower the cap and lower road toll but face a possibility of flooding, people getting killed on Tuesdays and the deaths of taxi driver's families?

Do we recognise that maybe there was a limited causal relationship between the cap and road toll, and that maybe the real cause was paranoia among car drivers and more visible cops combined with a crap weekend meaning more people stayed home?

Or do we take road safety seriously and reintroduce the system of having a man with a red flag walking in front of cars, and along the way stop scaring horses?

[yungatart]

If TPTB were to introduce a 4 kph tolerance, I would hope that they would drop the differing speed limits, so that all trucks, vehicles towing trailers etc would also be able to do 100 kph.
In the US, it is those states that have speed differentials between classes of vehicles that have the highest accident rates.

[JR1]

what about men with yellow flags on all the corners.

[slofox]

Our beloved masters are crowing with delight over the record low road toll for Liz's birthday weekend, and the correlation of this with their 4 kmh cap has led them to attribute this incredibly smart, innovative and effective approach to road safety (me, sarcastic?) with the low road toll, so I was expecting to see An Announcement from the lovely Paula soon enough to advise us that 10 kmh had gone.

But maybe not, just as Our Beloved Masters will argue for their reduced cap, a compelling argument against it has emerged. Using the blunt instrument of correlation, I have identified the following arguments against it:
1. The post-weekend road toll is significantly higher than normal
2. Over Queens birthday weekend record rainfall fell in many areas around NZ resulting in devastating flooding
3. An Indian taxi driver's wife and daughter were murdered

So, using the statistical tool of correlation (please do not use the spurious word in this thread) we can say that there is a direct correlation between post-weekend death toll, flooding and the murder rate amongst Indian taxi driver's families and a 4 kmh cap. Therefore we are faced with some questions: do we lower the cap and lower road toll but face a possibility of flooding, people getting killed on Tuesdays and the deaths of taxi driver's families?

Do we recognise that maybe there was a limited causal relationship between the cap and road toll, and that maybe the real cause was paranoia among car drivers and more visible cops combined with a crap weekend meaning more people stayed home?

Or do we take road safety seriously and reintroduce the system of having a man with a red flag walking in front of cars, and along the way stop scaring horses?

Temporal contiguity does not, of necessity, imply causality...

[MarkH]

Or do we take road safety seriously and reintroduce the system of having a man with a red flag walking in front of cars, and along the way stop scaring horses?

That's just stupid - get a grip on modern times! We can just mandate that all cars should be speed limited to 6kph (fast walking pace) and the death rate will drop drastically. This saves having to hire the man with the flag and since there aren't many horses on the road he isn't really needed. 6kph will save lives! Speed kills!

[shrub]

That's just stupid - get a grip on modern times! We can just mandate that all cars should be speed limited to 6kph (fast walking pace) and the death rate will drop drastically. This saves having to hire the man with the flag and since there aren't many horses on the road he isn't really needed. 6kph will save lives! Speed kills!

But I like the idea of the man with the red flag and it would create more jobs than the cycleway. And as you suggest by getting with the times we could have women with red flags, imagine the streets filled with beautiful young women walking around carrying red flags - hell, I might even start enjoying driving the cage if I got to follow a pretty girl all day.

And bikes are kind of iron horses, and cars do scare us so it's gotta be the best traffic safety solution ever. I'm going to write to Paula Rose.

[shrub]

Temporal contiguity does not, of necessity, imply causality...

Oh yeah, that's right. But don't tell Our Beloved Masters.

[beyond]

I can see the advantage of having scantily clad loverlies creeping around in front of my vehicle with a red flag. BUT... perchance the road toll might increase as a result and then the scantily clad loverlies with red flags will be ticketed?

[cowpoos]

Our beloved masters are crowing with delight over the record low road toll for Liz's birthday weekend, and the correlation of this with their 4 kmh cap has led them to attribute this incredibly smart, innovative and effective approach to road safety (me, sarcastic?) with the low road toll, so I was expecting to see An Announcement from the lovely Paula soon enough to advise us that 10 kmh had gone.

But maybe not, just as Our Beloved Masters will argue for their reduced cap, a compelling argument against it has emerged. Using the blunt instrument of correlation, I have identified the following arguments against it:
1. The post-weekend road toll is significantly higher than normal
2. Over Queens birthday weekend record rainfall fell in many areas around NZ resulting in devastating flooding
3. An Indian taxi driver's wife and daughter were murdered

So, using the statistical tool of correlation (please do not use the spurious word in this thread) we can say that there is a direct correlation between post-weekend death toll, flooding and the murder rate amongst Indian taxi driver's families and a 4 kmh cap. Therefore we are faced with some questions: do we lower the cap and lower road toll but face a possibility of flooding, people getting killed on Tuesdays and the deaths of taxi driver's families?

Do we recognise that maybe there was a limited causal relationship between the cap and road toll, and that maybe the real cause was paranoia among car drivers and more visible cops combined with a crap weekend meaning more people stayed home?

Or do we take road safety seriously and reintroduce the system of having a man with a red flag walking in front of cars, and along the way stop scaring horses?

Meh....police got lucky this weekend...they're full of shit...if they are willing to take credit for the low road toll...they will be taking responsibility for high road toll weekend??? thats how it works!!

But besides that...4 kmph over the limit gets a ticket....fair enough...you are actually speeding...law says 100kmph. I can drive easily below that...so if your going to complain you can't..maybe you shouldn't have a license...because really your incompetent!!

[AllanB]

Cowpoos is correct - at the end of the day 4 kms OVER the limit is still over the limit so you are speeding. Period.


Back to the weekends low toll - I predict they will not make it standard but drag it out every public holiday weekend.

Even if they go back to the previous 8% error (I think) you can probably get pinged for doing 106 as it is the same equipment used to detect the speed whether it reads 104 or 106.

[shrub]

Meh....police got lucky this weekend...they're full of shit...if they are willing to take credit for the low road toll...they will be taking responsibility for high road toll weekend??? thats how it works!!

But besides that...4 kmph over the limit gets a ticket....fair enough...you are actually speeding...law says 100kmph. I can drive easily below that...so if your going to complain you can't..maybe you shouldn't have a license...because really your incompetent!!

I see. So criticising the motives and rationale of Our Beloved Masters reflects on my ability as a motorcycle rider? Interesting logic. I also think that the current government is weak and the last one was devious and manipulative - does that make me a really good pianist?

[Kickaha]

I see. So criticising the motives and rationale of Our Beloved Masters reflects on my ability as a motorcycle rider?

Can you point out where he actually says that?

[shrub]

Can you point out where he actually says that?

Yes. "if your going to complain you can't..maybe you shouldn't have a license...because really your incompetent!!"

[JimO]

drove from Dn to chch to and back over the weekend most people on the road were traveling at 90, except for passing lanes then it was 105, i set the cc on 105 and passed where i could only saw 3 cops all weekend

[chasio]

Pfft, fucking amateurs.

I think you'll find that the road toll was lower last weekend because I ate loads of grated beetroot on Saturday and shat crimson on Sunday, actually.

I think I'll do it every holiday weekend, just to prove how effective it is. You can all can thank me later.