Are you registering your bike?

[Conquiztador]

You are dead right there.

The Govt accounting system works something like this;
We have 'x' number of bikes on the road, therefore we will collect 'x' number of dollars.

However if all the 'clever' people pull stunts and don't register their bikes the Govt will see they have collected 'x minus the clever peoples fees', therefore to get 'x' the Govt will have to put the fees up so that the Govt collects the fees they budgeted on.

And how do you recon the gumment knows how many bikes are on the road? The only way they measure this is by looking at how many bikes are registered in the system. So your argument does not stack up.

[red mermaid]

It knows because they have number plates, which is when they are registered and gives them a count.

From that number they know how many are re-licensed each year.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I have one registered and two on hold (working on them) I will likely register one of them at a time Dunno. It's all very wrong. Should only have to pay for 1 vehicle. I have 3 bikes and a car. I only use one at a time. If this one unfair aspect was addressed I'd be happier to pay a one fee ACC levy of say $600 to cover whatever the fuck I drive/ride.

As for not paying rego's. What threshold do you reckon Nick the Dick has set for the number of unregistered rider accidents claims that will be his secret trigger to start rejecting claims by unregistered accident victims on the basis that they are committing a crime.

All he needs to do is whine to the press about how unregistered (HIGH RISK) leeches are cheating the system to get public opinion behind his next move.... to amend the wording of the act below to extend to cover delinquent bikers Next he'll decline you for not paying your tax bill

Accident Compensation Amendment Act 2010

Provides for automatic disentitlement if a claim meets specific criteria (eg the person was injured while committing the crime for which s/he was imprisoned, and the crime committed carries a maximum sentence of imprisonment for two years or more, the claim has ACC cover).

• Clients who meet criteria will be entitled only to treatment, and their entitlement to surgery will be limited to that which is necessary to restore function to allow them to return to work.
• Provides that the Minister for ACC may exercise his/her discretion in exceptional circumstances.

• Comes into effect from 1July2010 for all personal injuries which occur after that date (ie existing entitlements will not be affected).

[Conquiztador]

It knows because they have number plates, which is when they are registered and gives them a count.

From that number they know how many are re-licensed each year.

Still a fail:

- If a bike is out of the system nobody will know that it exists.

- If a bike is registered but no license paid you only have 12 months before the bike ends up out of the system and then there is a bill that turns up with the 12 months license fee. (So that is clearly NOT the way of not paying for the license)

- If a bike is off the road and license put on hold the bike will stay in the system but no fees to pay.

So any statistics showing how many bikes are on the road will only be based on the amount of bikes that have their rego/license paid.

[RiderInBlack]

Still a fail:

- If a bike is out of the system nobody will know that it exists.

- If a bike is registered but no license paid you only have 12 months before the bike ends up out of the system and then there is a bill that turns up with the 12 months license fee. (So that is clearly NOT the way of not paying for the license)

- If a bike is off the road and license put on hold the bike will stay in the system but no fees to pay.

So any statistics showing how many bikes are on the road will only be based on the amount of bikes that have their rego/license paid.

So what ya telling me there is the cost of all motorcycle accidents on the road to ACC will be divided by only the bikes the Government know exist based the amount of bikes that have their Rego Paid.
Following that logic, taking the amount accidents stay the same and the Amount of Riders remain the same, the Cost per Registered bike should logically increase as more riders decide not to register their bikes but still use them on the road. Mmm Fail.

[mashman]

So what ya telling me there is the cost of all motorcycle accidents on the road to ACC will be divided by only the bikes the Government know exist based the amount of bikes that have their Rego Paid.
Following that logic, taking the amount accidents stay the same and the Amount of Riders remain the same, the Cost per Registered bike should logically increase as more riders decide not to register their bikes but still use them on the road. Mmm Fail.

Correct. Hence why i still pay my rego . The number of bike injuries can go down and the cost will still go up too...

[pc220]

WTF. Those that have bent over and accepted the increases and duly pay their fees each year are now crying that if we dont all bend over they will get rogered even deeper.HTF it is you lot that are playing into nic myths hands bleeting away telling the rest of us to tow the line because you dont want to pay more.
None of us want to pay more, its just that some of us have put our foot down ,stood up straight and said 'enough is enough' sooner than you lot.
How about you lot stop playing along with nic myth and join the rest of us.

[Berg]

I will keep paying mine and after my recent crash I now understand why. So far my treatment and time off work plus the 2 helicopters have cost the country somewhere near $15 000. I still have another operation and 3 weeks off work to go before I even start to get somewhere near full rehab. Mine was a self caused, off road crash on a bike that doesn't incur ACC levies. Is that fair on all ACC payers? No not really but that is how the system works. I rego 2 bikes and 2 cars and also pay ACC levies on my pay. Even working that out I will still have paid less than my treatment cost. Once repaired, what is to stop me doing it all again? Damn I hope not but is a risky sport I play.

[mashman]

WTF. Those that have bent over and accepted the increases and duly pay their fees each year are now crying that if we dont all bend over they will get rogered even deeper.HTF it is you lot that are playing into nic myths hands bleeting away telling the rest of us to tow the line because you dont want to pay more.
None of us want to pay more, its just that some of us have put our foot down ,stood up straight and said 'enough is enough' sooner than you lot.
How about you lot stop playing along with nic myth and join the rest of us.

Did you really think ACC hadn't figured that out? Do you think, with a surplus of $1+ billion last year that they can't afford a few motorcycles regos not getting paid? They could cover no motorcycles quite easily. I applaud your stand, but don't agree with it, on the grounds that it makes no difference other than giving ACC and TPTB ammunition to use against the motorcyclist.

[Bonez]

WTF. Those that have bent over and accepted the increases and duly pay their fees each year are now crying that if we dont all bend over they will get rogered even deeper.HTF it is you lot that are playing into nic myths hands bleeting away telling the rest of us to tow the line because you dont want to pay more.
None of us want to pay more, its just that some of us have put our foot down ,stood up straight and said 'enough is enough' sooner than you lot.
How about you lot stop playing along with nic myth and join the rest of us.

My step son got killed on his bike last year. His kids are set up till they turn 18 and acc payed for most of the cost of the funeral. They've been fucken great.

Edit- Oh I forgot to mention his bike was dereged.

[pc220]

I will keep paying mine and after my recent crash I now understand why. So far my treatment and time off work plus the 2 helicopters have cost the country somewhere near $15 000. I still have another operation and 3 weeks off work to go before I even start to get somewhere near full rehab. Mine was a self caused, off road crash on a bike that doesn't incur ACC levies. Is that fair on all ACC payers? No not really but that is how the system works. I rego 2 bikes and 2 cars and also pay ACC levies on my pay. Even working that out I will still have paid less than my treatment cost. Once repaired, what is to stop me doing it all again? Damn I hope not but is a risky sport I play.

My gripe is not with paying ACC fees. It is the way that it is been turned into an insurance scheme that proportions fees based on perceived risk. Under such a scheme all activites should be incurring fees, not just those that are easy to collect from. Basically road users are paying extra to cover the off road users. Is that a fair situation ?

[flyingcrocodile46]

WTF. Those that have bent over and accepted the increases and duly pay their fees each year are now crying that if we dont all bend over they will get rogered even deeper.HTF it is you lot that are playing into nic myths hands bleeting away telling the rest of us to tow the line because you dont want to pay more.
None of us want to pay more, its just that some of us have put our foot down ,stood up straight and said 'Fuck all of you... I'm a stand up guy who looks after number one' sooner than you lot.
How about you lot stop playing along with nic myth and join the rest of us.

That's right. Nobody thinks that the levies are fair but they were increased to address the fact that accidents involving bike riders on average cost significantly more than those which don't. The concept is called sharing the load. Similar principle to the tax and welfare system.

There are always those that don't want to share the load. They generally don't make good team players because they are only out for themselves. Dole bludgers and benefit fraudsters fit in the same category. Self centered blood sucking freeloading good for fuck all parasites.

Thanks for increasing my burden

[mashman]

That's right. Nobody thinks that the levies are fair but they were increased to address the fact that accidents involving bike riders on average cost significantly more than those which don't. The concept is called sharing the load. Similar principle to the tax and welfare system.

Nooo no no no. An injury is an injury (THEY COST THE SAME), you can get injured just as badly, if not worse in a car incident. The only thing they can "risk" us for, and it looks like that's how they calculate the levy, is being more at risk because we have less safety gear and that we have a high number of crashes per user in our user group (hard to avoid with such a small user group and such a HUGE number of cars). The FACT that cars cause over 75% of ALL road injuries doesn't seem to concern ACC or TPTB. Why not?

[pc220]

That's right. Nobody thinks that the levies are fair but they were increased to address the fact that accidents involving bike riders on average cost significantly more than those which don't. The concept is called sharing the load. Similar principle to the tax and welfare system.

There are always those that don't want to share the load. They generally don't make good team players because they are only out for themselves. Dole bludgers and benefit fraudsters fit in the same category. Self centered blood sucking freeloading good for fuck all parasites.

Thanks for increasing my burden

For the record. I do pay my rego, but instead of keeping it current year round it now goes on hold for the six months where the amount of riding i do doesnt justify the cost.
As for increasing YOUR burden. Just smile and bend over a little more. You know you like it.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Nooo no no no. An injury is an injury (THEY COST THE SAME), you can get injured just as badly, if not worse in a car incident. The only thing they can "risk" us for, and it looks like that's how they calculate the levy, is being more at risk because we have less safety gear and that we have a high number of crashes per user in our user group (hard to avoid with such a small user group and such a HUGE number of cars). The FACT that cars cause over 75% of ALL road injuries doesn't seem to concern ACC or TPTB. Why not?

Probably because cars account for way more than 75% of vehicles on the road.

For the record. I do pay my rego, but instead of keeping it current year round it now goes on hold for the six months where the amount of riding i do doesnt justify the cost.
As for increasing YOUR burden. Just smile and bend over a little more. You know you like it.

If you are paying your rego for your bikes only while you are riding them (i.e putting them on hold when not using them) then we are taking the same approach. So I am guessing that your observation re 'liking' being bent over, is something you have decided that you are qualified to assess and comment on eh!
Oh yeah! you sure are a 'Stand up dude'