Are you registering your bike?

[mashman]

Will there be a hike next year ?

I don't believe there will... but thems is my reasons and i can see justifications for more hikes... but would think that the politicians would see it as a political error... ACC going up every year tsk tsk...

Of course. And the point you make about those of us who refuse to pay being a contributing factor is correct, but it is only an aside..

If there is another hike, you can be yaw ass it'll be seen as more than just an aside...

The easy solution is

a) To abandon "forward funding" of the ACC account.
b) To fully fund it, each year from fuel levies, and or a distance based road user tax.

The easiest and fairest way forwards it putting it on fuel... there's no questioning that, other than why don't they do it??? funding wise, as long as last years bill is paid what's the problem? why spend money on thinking about any other way to do it? Because fuel hikes attract media attention becuase it then affects everyone... so shaft the healthcare system to keep the voters happy?

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/heal...g-consultation

litany of Smith bullshit continues. What a fucker

[mashman]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/heal...g-consultation

litany of Smith bullshit continues. What a fucker

"I don't think an increase from about $20m a year to $80m a year is fair on those who pay the levies in ACC." oh fucking really... doesn't he realise that that's the whole point behind ACC... We pay for each other, oh good god... where the hell does he get a 60 mill difference from? are these stats from 1990 - 2010 or what? how much does a hearing aid cost? How long do the batteries last?

How many are claiming for hearing aids?, not that it really matters, but if a hearing aid costs $2500 and let's say you get a new one every year... that means that there are 32,000 people wearing hearing aids... but this is a one off cost, unless 32,000 people a year require a hearing aid... so somewhere along the lines we went from 8,000 to 32,000 people with hearing problems requiring aids PER YEAR... i'd love to see the figures on this one too...

I reckon that's a good call HDC

[willytheekid]

I'm with Ixion; the days of me having four licensed vehicles are over until a fairer system is in place (read that how you will)


Please! Go to your room and do your homework!!

LOL, I did!...honest! And the stats CLEARLY show the majority ARE off road related, maybe you would like to elaborate.....or update NZ statistics, cos there pritty sure of there findings.
And -Quote:Waikato Hospital surveyed m/c types over a period in 2008 (I think). They found 80% were from off-road. We can only but guess which fund was involved at ACC.-more proof!
....are you a farmer? lol
I certainly don't want to see more bike riders getting hit with the bill, but I do believe in paying your share...and not allowing others to foot the bill.
-Now get to the back of the class! lol

[Gibbo89]

I would love to know how many people "won't" be registering there bike.

As the fines are only $200 a pop for no rego, Im a little reluctant to "bow" before the system and fork over more money for less cover....so what to do?
Personally Im thinking I might just pay my rego up to the end of june and then put it on hold....indeffinatly!
If the number of 600cc+ bikes registered in NZ was to suddenly drop to say 50-60% of previous records...would they review the act? (Thats ALOT of $$ there lossing) -I think so ( I hope so!) and at $200 a pop for the fine...I can get stopped 3-4 times a year before I exceed the yearly rego cost
So please, drop a post to say if your going to rego your ride....as stated Im just curious

i just filled out an mr27 form and paid for 15 months of rego for my 250cc. cost me 420 something for 15 months.

[rustys]

HELL NO!!!!! havn't done so for a large number of years, (i have got warrants though) as i have several road bikes, what i have saved over the years ,thousands and thousands of dollars,has well and truely covered a heap of fines and i will gladly pay if pulled up.
I dont ride stupidly and dont attract attention, also i dont park in the obvious places (ie parking wardens etc)
What we pay is far to high, its just another bloody TAX.

[Blinkwing]

"I don't think an increase from about $20m a year to $80m a year is fair on those who pay the levies in ACC." oh fucking really... doesn't he realise that that's the whole point behind ACC... We pay for each other, oh good god... where the hell does he get a 60 mill difference from? are these stats from 1990 - 2010 or what? how much does a hearing aid cost? How long do the batteries last?

How many are claiming for hearing aids?, not that it really matters, but if a hearing aid costs $2500 and let's say you get a new one every year... that means that there are 32,000 people wearing hearing aids... but this is a one off cost, unless 32,000 people a year require a hearing aid... so somewhere along the lines we went from 8,000 to 32,000 people with hearing problems requiring aids PER YEAR... i'd love to see the figures on this one too...

I reckon that's a good call HDC

I have two hearing aids. What he's saying is bullshit because there's a limit of how many times you can claim for hearing aids. And the government certainly don't give you a new hearing aid every year ... more like every 4-5 years if they see fit.

Batteries are bloody expensive & the government/ACC don't subsidise them. I have to pay for them out of my own pocket.

[Maha]

Interesting that, I put the Yamaha rego on hold in March, its due now (in a few days) and the cost is at the old price, even though they a charging the new rate now?

[What?]

LOL, I did!...honest! And the stats CLEARLY show the majority ARE off road related, maybe you would like to elaborate.....or update NZ statistics, cos there pritty sure of there findings.
And -Quote:Waikato Hospital surveyed m/c types over a period in 2008 (I think). They found 80% were from off-road. We can only but guess which fund was involved at ACC.-more proof!
....are you a farmer? lol
I certainly don't want to see more bike riders getting hit with the bill, but I do believe in paying your share...and not allowing others to foot the bill.
-Now get to the back of the class! lol

Ah, now there's the thing. The stat's you mention are quite correct, the issue is simply that off-road incidents are not funded from the same account that on-road incidents are.

[MSTRS:Me]

Ah, now there's the thing. The stat's you mention are quite correct, the issue is simply that off-road incidents are not funded from the same account that on-road incidents are.

Well, that's a matter of conjecture.
We don't really know which ACC fund is using for these payments. Many of us hazarded the guess that if the form says 'motorcycle involved' that the road fund was used. But we just don't know.
The problem is that StatsNZ, MOT, ACC and others all collect and collate stats for different reasons, and it's pointless trying to compare one with another to make sense of the ACC issue.

[scracha]

Nope. Rego going on hold on TDM, 2 other cheap old CBR hurricanes being converted to race bikes - primarily as a result of the ACC hike. I'll rego one of them for 6 months in summer...that's kinda fair. Likewise the girlfriend's diesel hilux which is used a handful of days for towing the horse box and getting my bikes to the track. Vioala, just saved over 2 grand a year, ACC has LOST money from me. Might consider the odd "dirty" ride in Winter as can't justify extra $258 (and similar for Hilux) for amount of usage the bike gets over that period.

Only in New Zealand would it be cheaper to race a CBR than ride it on the road.

Maybe the gubbernmint should consider pre-pay per day registrations or summit :-)

[sleemanj]

If you are in the Tasman district, you might want to think twice about going on-hold.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...sparks-tension

Tasman district road policing manager Inspector Hugh Flower said that from July 1, police would be asked to spend 15 minutes of their shift time to stop and check motorcycle and moped riders.

[qwertydog]

Short Answer. Nope

[Big Col]

Will register 1 vehicle, All others NO.

[Chrislost]

I would love to know how many people "won't" be registering there bike.

As the fines are only $200 a pop for no rego, Im a little reluctant to "bow" before the system and fork over more money for less cover....so what to do?
Personally Im thinking I might just pay my rego up to the end of june and then put it on hold....indeffinatly!
If the number of 600cc+ bikes registered in NZ was to suddenly drop to say 50-60% of previous records...would they review the act? (Thats ALOT of $$ there lossing) -I think so ( I hope so!) and at $200 a pop for the fine...I can get stopped 3-4 times a year before I exceed the yearly rego cost
So please, drop a post to say if your going to rego your ride....as stated Im just curious

The change has happened.
Its done.
They wont reverse it.