ACC & NZTA FUCKERS: Charging the new rates before it is legal to do so.

[rainman]

I THINK ( but do NOT) take this as authorative) that if you have the form they send out ( which is technically an invoice) and the prices on it are the old prices, and you enter the code off the invoice, they will honour the invoice ( old ) prices. But any invoice RAISED in June will be the new prices.

Damn. Mine expires in a month and I have been toying with whether to do a MR27 or an MR24... Having to pay the new rates kinda makes that decision for me.

[ukusa]

Damn. Mine expires in a month and I have been toying with whether to do a MR27 or an MR24... Having to pay the new rates kinda makes that decision for me.

hold hold hold, give 'em no money

[Max Preload]

No, they realised we were using the MR27 route and as of recently they have tried to close it - illegally.
They know they won't get taken to court over this.

Not illegally. They've merely started doing what they should have been already but lacked the information to be able to. See 5(1)(c).

Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no person shall use any motor vehicle on any road unless—
the full amount of the appropriate levies payable under section 214 of the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001 in respect of the period for which the licence is issued has been paid.

hold hold hold, give 'em no money

That's the one!

[rainman]

give 'em no money

Shouldn't be too difficult - there's a long queue of things lining up for my very limited money and most of them are nothing to do with bikes.

But no rego=no ride.

[miloking]

Shouldn't be too difficult - there's a long queue of things lining up for my very limited money and most of them are nothing to do with bikes.

But no rego=no ride.

What do you mean no rego=no ride???? Do your wheels fall off if you've got no rego or something??? HOLD HOLD HOLD just like Ukusa said!

[Max Preload]

What do you mean no rego=no ride????

I'm struggling with that one a bit myself. Exactly how does not having a current license label stop you from riding?

[riffer]

It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

How much will that affect you? If you use the bike on the occasional weekend, probably you will get away with it.

If, like me, its your daily transport, and you do at least 75-80kms a day, it becomes a game of chance in which the odds are stacked hugely in the police's favour.

While I disagree with the reasons for the increase in the charge, and have protested (and will continue to protest) about the charges, I have no choice. I've been pulled over three times in the last month - once for a rego check, once for doing 116km/hr (my fault) and once for doing 102 (Queen's birthday weekend).

After July 1, I'm willing to bet the rego checks will increase. They've already started doing it on the Rimutakas in the weekend.

Its going to cost you hugely if you repeatedly get stopped. But it's your call.

My rego runs out on 7/7/10. So I have no choice but to pay the $520. With my recent luck I'll be fined more than that in one month.

[Pixie]

It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

How much will that affect you? If you use the bike on the occasional weekend, probably you will get away with it.

If, like me, its your daily transport, and you do at least 75-80kms a day, it becomes a game of chance in which the odds are stacked hugely in the police's favour.

While I disagree with the reasons for the increase in the charge, and have protested (and will continue to protest) about the charges, I have no choice. I've been pulled over three times in the last month - once for a rego check, once for doing 116km/hr (my fault) and once for doing 102 (Queen's birthday weekend).

After July 1, I'm willing to bet the rego checks will increase. They've already started doing it on the Rimutakas in the weekend.

Its going to cost you hugely if you repeatedly get stopped. But it's your call.

My rego runs out on 7/7/10. So I have no choice but to pay the $520. With my recent luck I'll be fined more than that in one month.

Well,I would ask myself:"how often do I get stopped or see a check point?Or even get tailed by a cop that might run my rego to see if is up to date?"

If the answer is rarely, then I would ride pirate style.

I think the biggest risks are parking nazis in cities.


My next bike will be a GSF 1250 livestock transporter registered as a farm vehicle, ACC exempt, for my worm farm -and I will always have a jar of worms with me to prove it.

[avgas]

I think the biggest risks are parking nazis in cities.

To be honest that is my current biggest fear. I am going to attempt to 'hide' the rego a bit. Put a bit of grease over it or something.

[Pixie]

To be honest that is my current biggest fear. I am going to attempt to 'hide' the rego a bit. Put a bit of grease over it or something.

You can "accidentally" spill some solvent on it.
The ink comes off the plastic very easily.I discovered this when I was investigating "doctoring" expiry dates.

[Pixie]

Just had a call from my brother:He's laying a complaint with the Commerce Commission.

Councils are allowing full payment of new rate demands for the coming year at the existing GST rate.This is exactly the same situation with extending a licence expiry date.

Also I got a reply from BRONZ - they are having their lawyers look into the legalities of the situation

[rainman]

What do you mean no rego=no ride???? Do your wheels fall off if you've got no rego or something???

I'm struggling with that one a bit myself. Exactly how does not having a current license label stop you from riding?

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It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

Like Mr Riffer said, there are consequences of breaking the law, like it or not. And since about everything that can go wrong for me recently has gone wrong, I'm disinclined to take the chance.

Actually, before I can ride again I also need a WOF and current insurance, neither of which stop the wheels turning, but both of which are show-stoppers for someone with some personal responsibility.

[Scuba_Steve]

screw hold, de-register it become ALOT harder to charge or find someone with out registration...

[HenryDorsetCase]

I *think* (but I am termimally confused) that if you have an invoice for a renewal 22nd June, which would have beeen issued in May, then you pay what is on the invoice. The old rates.

But invoices they are raising in June are (normally) for July renewals, at the new rate . When you go in with a MR27, you dont have an imvoice. So their system creates one . At the new rates. Itis posssible that it is possible to override this (it should be) but only expert operators knpw how ( most dont even know what a mr27 is)

Just looking at the MR1 "Renewal of Motor Vehicle Licence" form: sticker price is $321.24, so thats old price. I will fill in a MR27, and present them both together then shout at the drone that I want an invoice for $401.55 ($321.24 divided by 12 then multiplied by 15).

should be entertaining. WCS is I pay $321.24 for 12 months.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just had a call from my brother:He's laying a complaint with the Commerce Commission.

Councils are allowing full payment of new rate demands for the coming year at the existing GST rate.This is exactly the same situation with extending a licence expiry date.

Also I got a reply from BRONZ - they are having their lawyers look into the legalities of the situation

that first example is perfectly correct. The invoice is dated 1 July for the period 1 July 2010 to 30 June 2011. The taxable supply is made on 1 July and therefore the appropriate rate is that applying on 1 July.

In fact to do other would be to apply GST at the wrong rate. (presently the law allows only two rates, zero percent*, and 12.5%) * in certain limited but entertaining circumstances.