Ever witnessed a drive off? + dangerous drops

[MarkH]

Personal responsibility. It's a wonderful fucking thing.

That's my point in a nutshell - personal responsibility shouldn't be ignored. The SUV driver doesn't have zero responsibility just because the biker is retarded, just as the driver of a vehicle doesn't have zero responsibility if a child foolishly runs onto the road in front of them - the driver still needs to do everything possible to avoid hitting & killing that child.

If a child runs onto the road in front of you do you believe you can ignore the brakes, run over the child and carry on home? The child wouldn't be dead if he/she hadn't run onto the road in front of you!

In this case the biker is at fault, but that doesn't make the SUV driver not at fault. In law it is easy for 2 motorists to be both at fault. If the SUV driver couldn't avoid hitting the biker when he was stunting then he couldn't avoid hitting him in a genuine emergency stop either, therefore the SUV driver was too close and driving illegally. Why do you think personal responsibility doesn't apply to the SUV driver?

I don't care if the SUV driver was distracted by what was happening on the side of the road or following to closely. If the rider hadn't performed a 'stunt' on the road then there would've been no crash.

Great logic, but if the SUV driver hadn't been so close and was able to stop in time then there would also have been no crash. Both at fault, geddit? If the police charged both the rider and the SUV driver for each one's failings in this incident then I would consider that to be perfectly fair. The SUV driver wasn't able to stop in time when the vehicle in front stopped and also left the scene of an accident without stopping to exchange details and ensure the rider was OK - he/she should be charged for both offences. The motorcycle rider was 'stunting' on a public road and contributed to the crash - he should be charged for that.

When watching the video some people said "ah, the biker's at fault for being a dick on a public road" and some might have said "the SUV driver is at fault for not stopping" but to me the obvious answer is "both are at fault, remove either from this situation and the crash wouldn't have happened". A good driver wouldn't have hit the bike and a good rider would have been pulling a stoppie somewhere else. I am sure that there are quiet roads and carparks that would be less stupid to do stunts on than this busy road.

[onearmedbandit]

If a child runs out in front of me and I happen to be glancing in the rear view mirror at the time and there was nothing I could do to avoid it (assuming I'm not speeding) then I would not expect to be charged with causing death. The road is exactly that, a road. Not a playground for children or stunters. If a child ran out in front of me and I thought 'fuck it, shouldn't be on the road', and take no action to avoid it then charge me, I'll deserve it.

So without knowing the SUV drivers intent (was he up there intentionally looking to knock stunters off) or whether he was checking his mirrors, it is very hard to ascertain blame. However, this could have been all avoided had the stunters found some 'quiet roads and carparks that would be less stupid to do stunts on than this busy road.'.

[Cayman911]

as for SUV driver being blameless, well blameless for hitting the bike. i would have to say it was fully the bike's fault. going down a road where there seems no be no reason what so ever for the person in front of me to slam on the breaks,you would not expect the biker to just pull a stoppie outa nowhere. and that biker could easily see the SUV behind him

as for running off, some argue he/she could have been scared, and thats fully understandable considering as mentioned before there are atleast 50 of them and 1 of the SUV driver.
driving off was wrong, but then again they saw they didnt kill him either as he got back up and i doubt everyone there would say to the guy on the bike "mate, it was your fault". they would have been heavily abused by hyped up stunters.

the SUV probably got tracked down anyways