Christchurch cruising bylaw July 1st: No exceptions for finding a park?

**Coldrider** · 14th July 2010, 18:50

Originally Posted by Flip

What after 10 at night?

There are only cleaners and the few who have to do the daily balance at treasury working this time of night.

Having spent Thursday, Friday and Saturday night on the piss in Wellington Central I can assure you not everyone out for the night in Wellington is a cleaner.

**R1madness** · 15th July 2010, 18:07

Being young is wasted on the youth.

Come on people dont you remember being 17? I do and not with the rose coloured glasses that most people wear when thinking about their past.

Friday nights when i was a 17 were spent roaring around the Octagon in Dunedin and up and down Princess St and George St on my CB400/4 with a sagar system (remember them???) making as much noise as i could. The car guys (hoons) would park up on the top section and the bikes on the lower section. Loud music was the norm from the cars, loud pipes for the bikes. Alcohol was allowed (well tolerated anyway) by the cops and a blind eye turned until about 11.30 by which time we had had enough and headed off to someones flat (usually mine) for a evening of more loud music and substance abuse...

Sounds pretty similar to what my teenage kids want to do now... only problem is someone has banned them from all the fun stuff we used to do.

Who remembers bullrush? Did anyone ever really get hurt at it? Not that i remember but its banned in all schools. Climbed a tree lately? There is a council bylaw that makes it illegal to climb the trees in hagley park, i mean get real. Its time we stopped being told what we are not allowed to do. What ever happened to personal responsability for your actions and decisions.

Climb trees, swim in rivers, eat dodgy looking food, its all part of life, let the kids live it.

**Spuds1234** · 15th July 2010, 18:28

Originally Posted by R1madness

Loud music was the norm from the cars, loud pipes for the bikes. Alcohol was allowed (well tolerated anyway) by the cops and a blind eye turned until about 11.30 by which time we had had enough and headed off to someones flat

Trouble is they dont fuck off home until about 3am to 4am.

No one would care if they did leave at 11.30, infact I think you would find most people lauding their good behavior.

**willytheekid** · 18th July 2010, 22:17

Originally Posted by R1madness

Being young is wasted on the youth.

Come on people dont you remember being 17? I do and not with the rose coloured glasses that most people wear when thinking about their past.

Friday nights when i was a 17 were spent roaring around the Octagon in Dunedin and up and down Princess St and George St on my CB400/4 with a sagar system (remember them???) making as much noise as i could. The car guys (hoons) would park up on the top section and the bikes on the lower section. Loud music was the norm from the cars, loud pipes for the bikes. Alcohol was allowed (well tolerated anyway) by the cops and a blind eye turned until about 11.30 by which time we had had enough and headed off to someones flat (usually mine) for a evening of more loud music and substance abuse...

Sounds pretty similar to what my teenage kids want to do now... only problem is someone has banned them from all the fun stuff we used to do.

Who remembers bullrush? Did anyone ever really get hurt at it? Not that i remember but its banned in all schools. Climbed a tree lately? There is a council bylaw that makes it illegal to climb the trees in hagley park, i mean get real. Its time we stopped being told what we are not allowed to do. What ever happened to personal responsability for your actions and decisions.

Climb trees, swim in rivers, eat dodgy looking food, its all part of life, let the kids live it.

Love to agree with you ......BUT

In your day, did you roam the streets in drunken mobs, assaulting innocent people, surrounding cop cars & smashing in there windows, what about beating or stabbing people to death because they said the wrong thing?
Because this IS the reality of youth today, they have little to no respect for the law or anyone else, there morals match there education levels, and they feel the world owes them everything!!

I would lOVE to give youth the benefit of the doubt, but unfortunatly the youth crime rate, violence and binge drinking habits have sealed there fate.
Its just a bloody shame that the good kids and the rest of us have to suffer for the actions of the few (well...not so few actually).

I work night shift in CHCH central, and nearly EVERY! fri/sat night I have some "Mob" of drunken kids either run out at me, pull out on me, or try to force me off the road as they speed past.
I was nearly rear-ended by a procession of boy racers last month, as they shot past me on the highway in dense fog @ WELL over 160kph!!!.....the last car missed me by inches! (I was DEAD if he had hit me!), when I saw them again pulled over in woodend....they threw a bottle at me! -(I did NOTHING to provoke them! I just wanted to get home and see my new born son & partner)

"What ever happened to personal responsability for your actions and decisions."......indeed...what ever did happen?

Crusing law?.....should be crushing there cars and throwing the bad apples in JAIL!! -then the good kids could come out and play like old.

**SMOKEU** · 18th July 2010, 22:45

Originally Posted by willytheekid

Love to agree with you ......BUT

In your day, did you roam the streets in drunken mobs, assaulting innocent people, surrounding cop cars & smashing in there windows, what about beating or stabbing people to death because they said the wrong thing?
Because this IS the reality of youth today, they have little to no respect for the law or anyone else, there morals match there education levels, and they feel the world owes them everything!!

I would lOVE to give youth the benefit of the doubt, but unfortunatly the youth crime rate, violence and binge drinking habits have sealed there fate.
Its just a bloody shame that the good kids and the rest of us have to suffer for the actions of the few (well...not so few actually).

Right, so by banning cruising, violent thugs will suddenly become good Christians who stay home on the weekends and go to bed at 10pm?

**onearmedbandit** · 18th July 2010, 23:58

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Right, so by banning cruising, violent thugs will suddenly become good Christians who stay home on the weekends and go to bed at 10pm?

Ah but the cruising law isn't aimed at fixing that problem.

**willytheekid** · 19th July 2010, 00:10

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Right, so by banning cruising, violent thugs will suddenly become good Christians who stay home on the weekends and go to bed at 10pm?

LOL, don't we wish!
Not at all, my point was the ban is a DIRECT result of their own actions and the change in lifestyle and morals from yesterdays youth and todays....or do the media and police just make up the figures relating to youth crime, violence and road abuse?
Banning cruising was not the governments idea or the councils...it was the public and business owners in ChCh that demanded something be done! ...or should we just let them run amuck and do nothing?
They got off light!...simple as that! (the council & Gov WERE! looking into crushing cars as a deterant...whats worse, a fine or ya car crushed?)
And as for the ban removing violent thugs...read the papers, in ChCh we had a problem with car loads of kids crusing around looking for drunks to beat up....and it got to the point where a 17yr old kid was beaten to death with baseball bats by a car load of said thugs....so yes it may help...it may not, but something had to be done.

**SMOKEU** · 19th July 2010, 09:44

Originally Posted by willytheekid

LOL, don't we wish!
Not at all, my point was the ban is a DIRECT result of their own actions and the change in lifestyle and morals from yesterdays youth and todays....or do the media and police just make up the figures relating to youth crime, violence and road abuse?
Banning cruising was not the governments idea or the councils...it was the public and business owners in ChCh that demanded something be done! ...or should we just let them run amuck and do nothing?
They got off light!...simple as that! (the council & Gov WERE! looking into crushing cars as a deterant...whats worse, a fine or ya car crushed?)
And as for the ban removing violent thugs...read the papers, in ChCh we had a problem with car loads of kids crusing around looking for drunks to beat up....and it got to the point where a 17yr old kid was beaten to death with baseball bats by a car load of said thugs....so yes it may help...it may not, but something had to be done.

It's all good in theory, however, 10% of the people cause 90% of the problems. These people don't give a fuck about getting fines, or getting the car impounded. Just like drink drivers, the hardcore recidivist offenders don't give a fuck about any laws and keep on drink driving even when disqualified.

**Flip** · 19th July 2010, 18:15

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's all good in theory, however, 10% of the people cause 90% of the problems. These people don't give a fuck about getting fines, or getting the car impounded. Just like drink drivers, the hardcore recidivist offenders don't give a fuck about any laws and keep on drink driving even when disqualified.

They will, when their "fresh meat" asses are locked up in jail.

**SMOKEU** · 19th July 2010, 18:23

Originally Posted by Flip

They will, when their "fresh meat" asses are locked up in jail.

We all know the government is too soft to lock people up, unless the offence is really serious.

**slofox** · 19th July 2010, 18:35

Originally Posted by R1madness

Being young is wasted on the youth.

Yep - for sure

Who remembers bullrush? Did anyone ever really get hurt at it? Not that i remember but its banned in all schools.

The school I taught at as a year one teacher back in 19mumbletymumble banned bullrush the week we had three broken collarbones in four days.

But then they were playing it on the basketball courts and a couple of the young lads figured that you could stop people by stretching a jersey between two of you and using it to trip the runners arse over tip onto the asphalt...

Enterprising young lads they were and all...

**willytheekid** · 19th July 2010, 21:25

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's all good in theory, however, 10% of the people cause 90% of the problems. These people don't give a fuck about getting fines, or getting the car impounded. Just like drink drivers, the hardcore recidivist offenders don't give a fuck about any laws and keep on drink driving even when disqualified.

Totally agree!
Im just pissed cos they bottled my guzzi's tank a few months back...sniff...sob. Gotta look at the dent everyday (to cheap to get it fixed so far).
AND the fact the boy racer's keep trying to kill me with their cars and arrogance nearly every weekend (I work in central CHCH till 1 in the morning....its an exercise in survival just getting home!)
Even my big "gay" fluro vest appears to be invisible to them!, but as you say, they just don't give a shit about the consequences or the law.

**SMOKEU** · 19th July 2010, 21:55

We already have laws to deal with sustained loss of traction, dangerous driving, wilful damage, breach of liquor ban, breach of the peace, disorderly behaviour, littering etc. Because of all the violence and general mayhem which happens every weekend, something more needs to be done. Adding another law won't do anything, unless the courts are prepared to punish offenders more severely, especially the repeat offenders.