Police withdraw speeding ticket.

[Max Preload]

Yes it is. Guilty only happens when

1. You pay the fine
2. A court finds you guilty.

FFS, get your facts straight.

So there.

What he meant was even though there is no evidence other than a claim made by a cop, you'll have to prove you weren't doing what he says you were to get JPs to believe you. Your statement doesn't hold anywhere near the sway of the cop's. A system open to abuse.

[davereid]

What he meant was even though there is no evidence other than a claim made by a cop, you'll have to prove you weren't doing what he says you were to get JPs to believe you. Your statement doesn't hold anywhere near the sway of the cop's. A system open to abuse.

My personal experience has always been the reverse.

I have found both J.P.s and Judges to be courteous, and interested in my case, as well as being very happy about ruling in my favour if the evidence comprises simply my word against the Traffic Officers.

Your mileage may vary, but I would suggest that you defend a ticket every time, if you are not guilty.

[CookMySock]

What he meant was even though there is no evidence other than a claim made by a cop, you'll have to prove you weren't doing what he says you were to get JPs to believe you. Your statement doesn't hold anywhere near the sway of the cop's. A system open to abuse.

A system open to change, in my opinion. People are just getting really bloody sick of being shit on.

It's not just the police, theres ACC going up, rates never stop going up, RUC keeps going up, perhaps you can add a few yourself. It's pretty plain its just a big money grab.

Steve

[Rogue Rider]

Aparently, and this is only from here say talk, but I had it from the words of a fellow plod who was a dear mate. About 40% + of traffic infringements appearing at court get released/ let go for a number of reasons....

1. Cops no show due to day off, or other appearances
2. insufficient evidence
3. time allocations
4. incorrect data recorded
5. misscomunication and negligence.
6. popo being of reduced demeanor at presentation or not following issues protocols.

Police in court must present everything in a clear and concise presentation. Evidence must be clear, and due process followed to the letter of the law. There are often discrepancies and technicalities that can go in the favour of the defendant.....

The statistics show, flip, challenge it and take the 40% chance of getting ticket annulled. Its your right, and the chance is pretty high. Regardless of innocence, police need to get the basics right. If you pay it, demerits guaranteed and money gone.

Is it worth contesting, well, if I get another ticket one day, I'll give it a wurl.

[Neshi]

It's just plain stupid to abuse the system to get your ticket annuled while you were fined for a traffic infringement you commited. Like it's been already said, WE are ALL paying for it.
It would be a whole lot easier to just pay up if you commited the infringement.

"You made your bed, now you have to lie in it" is the saying... just man up and take responsibility for your actions.

[Toaster]

I find not speeding saves me so much money, time and effort in the long run... oh and I enjoy the ride not worrying if Mr Plod is around the next corner or in the next parked van.

Save it for the track Rossi.

[scumdog]

I find not speeding saves me so much money, time and effort in the long run... oh and I enjoy the ride not worrying if Mr Plod is around the next corner or in the next parked van.

Save it for the track Rossi.

Likewise.

Not having to fear a ticket is very relaxing.

[Max Preload]

It's just plain stupid to abuse the system to get your ticket annuled while you were fined for a traffic infringement you commited. Like it's been already said, WE are ALL paying for it.
It would be a whole lot easier to just pay up if you commited the infringement.

"You made your bed, now you have to lie in it" is the saying... just man up and take responsibility for your actions.

What a funny world you must live in where to "man up" is actually bending over and getting fucked up the arse. Make sure you wear your sailor suit.

[rustic101]

Most criminals are caught due to their inability to keep their mouths shut after the fact....Point in case on here time after time where clowns spout off about breaching the 'laws', then bitch and moan about fighting the 'man' for Justice.

Inevitably, what they do not understand is that, while it is their 'right' to defend their self generated actions, they are tying up valuable resources that could be used to prevent, resolve or deal with more serious crime affecting real victims caused by offenders, rather than some opinionated prick (general terms not the OP) who thinks they have been hard done by.

IMO - Its not about 'manning up', its about being an adult and acepting the consqences of our actions.

An unusual experience in man engenders the need to talk
Carl Jung

[Max Preload]

IMO - Its not about 'manning up', its about being an adult and acepting the consqences of our actions.

In the case of speeding the 'consequences' are entirely manufactured when there has actually been no harm done to another person or property. I'm glad I can tell the difference between right/wrong and what's legal.

[Neshi]

Its not about 'manning up', its about being an adult and acepting the consqences of our actions.

In my opinion that is the same thing, just put in different words.

The consequences of speeding aren't manufactured. It might be that you can handle the speed you're going, but it's the rest of the traffic you have to worry about. That is why there is a speedlimit, to keep everything at roughly the same pace, otherwise the speed difference would be just too damn high. Seeing as people tend to drive in New Zealand I figure the limit of 100km is about right, that's as much as most of you can handle. Most cagers don't anticipate at all, not at 50km/h and sure as hell not at the 100km/h on the motorway.
Consequence of speeding the possibility of a ticket. Is it worth getting on your destination 5 minutes earlier...?

You know exactly when you are going faster than is allowed, so if you get that ticket you just pay it. that's as simple as it is.
Just like when you steal, you might get caught and go to prison or be fined, whatever. That is the consequence and you know that before you commit the crime. Even though you do no harm to another person or property (insurance pays for it) you know it is against the rules and therefore wrong. You don't start moaning when you get caught, or do you. Seeing your last post, you probably will...

[Max Preload]

The consequences of speeding aren't manufactured.

They are. The consequences (a bill to pay and some demerit pointsa) are entirely man-made. And those are the sole consequences when you're stopped for speeding and issued an infringement offence notice. Nobody was affected by your speeding.

[Neshi]

Isn't everything manufactured then? Getting a fine for running a red light, parking in a no parking zone, stuff on the roof that sticks out too far...
Nothing of this affects somebody, but it has the potential to.
See where I'm going? It doesn't have to affect somebody at this very moment, because that is exactly what we are trying to avoid... and by keeping people from getting hurt and to ensure they don't just do as they please, they fine the infringements. Just like you would punish your child for doing something bad.

[p.dath]

What a funny world you must live in where to "man up" is actually bending over and getting fucked up the arse. Make sure you wear your sailor suit.

Touche. To "man up" is to accept responsibility for your actions. The road is a public resource paid for by the public, and has had rules created by the public for its use. You may not like those rules, but when given a licence to use this public resource you accepted those rules. You even sat a test to show your understanding of those rules. Be a "man" - stick to your word - even if you don't like it. That's part of being a "man".

In the case of speeding the 'consequences' are entirely manufactured when there has actually been no harm done to another person or property. I'm glad I can tell the difference between right/wrong and what's legal.

There is only no "consequence" if no speed related accident happens. The current regime pushes the message that there is a relationship between speed and accidents - and I guess you have to agree if you accept the extremes - but the focus on speed is to great (in my opinion). We don't operate at extremes most of the time. I keep relfecting back to Great Barrier Island where they operate almost exclusively with an open road speed limit and leave it up to the road users to determine what the "best" speed to travel at is (and that is often only 30km/h).

Some roads are "5 star" roads and I think could be used at much higher speed.

So I guess I partly support you on this one. Any moving object hitting something has a consequence, but the solution is not to simply concentrate on the fact that it is moving.

[scumdog]

In the case of speeding the 'consequences' are entirely manufactured when there has actually been no harm done to another person or property.

Sort of like a driver with a blood alcohol level of 680mgm per litre of blood eh?

HE hasn't done any harm but 'somebody' decided that anything over 400 was dangerous - even when 'no harm was done to another person or property', obviously the 'consequences' here too are entirely manufactured.