Police withdraw speeding ticket.

[Jantar]

...You know exactly when you are going faster than is allowed, so if you get that ticket you just pay it. that's as simple as it is. ......

I must have missed something here. Where did the OP say he was going faster than allowed? He did admit to getting a ticket, but as far as I can see, he has never admitted to exceeding the speed limit. It appears that you have found him guilty merely on the officer's say so.

[Rogue Rider]

What a funny world you must live in where to "man up" is actually bending over and getting fucked up the arse. Make sure you wear your sailor suit.

LoL..... mmm, some people live in a perfect world perhaps, me, I have good intentions, but ultimately I make mistakes..... Why should I take it on the chin, if I make a mistake. MOT had grace, and demerits were lower. POPO, well, they be mean most of the time and are always "outa Huntin" like bubba from the bayou huntin some gators.......

[Neshi]

I must have missed something here. Where did the OP say he was going faster than allowed? He did admit to getting a ticket, but as far as I can see, he has never admitted to exceeding the speed limit. It appears that you have found him guilty merely on the officer's say so.

I was replying to Max Preload, not the OP...

[Maha]

So were you doing 112 when pinged ?

I got off a 119kph ticket, what I didn't mention on here was, the cop said to me '' I beleive you were going quicker than that, but I locked you on at 119''.
He was correct, but at the end of the day, it did not matter, he got me at 119 and then those above him let me off.
I said in my thread, a ticket is just the starting point.

[Berries]

My question was an innocent one aimed at the OP. We have no idea from the post whether it was a fair cop and he got off on a technicality or it was a complete BS charge. Without any indication either way it is a bit of a pointless post. Do we blame the cops for being bastards, or do we go rar rar rah for fighting the system ? I guess we’ll never know, the OP has gone all quiet.

Why should I take it on the chin, if I make a mistake.

Because that's life ?

[Max Preload]

So you lot are quite happy with the concept of punishment for acts that haven't actually affected anyone? Pathetic.

[Neshi]

Why does always someone have to get hurt before something is valid...
something with locking the barn and a stolen horse..

[davereid]

It's just plain stupid to abuse the system to get your ticket annuled while you were fined for a traffic infringement you commited. Like it's been already said, WE are ALL paying for it. It would be a whole lot easier to just pay up if you commited the infringement. "You made your bed, now you have to lie in it" is the saying... just man up and take responsibility for your actions.

Its not abusing the system to plead not guilty.

In fact, that is the Raison d'être for having a legal system.

Actual guilt is not relevant, a not guilty plea does not mean you did not do the crime, indeed it is not even a claim you did not do the crime. It means you believe the allegation cannot be proved beyond reasonable doubt.

Many will be convicted of crimes they did not commit. Many will not be convicted of crimes they did commit.

You are accused according to the laws of the land. You have no choice on them. The same laws also allow you the right to plead not guilty.

You may chose not to exercise your half of the law. But it is foolish to criticise those who do.

[Neshi]

that's just laywer talk to talk stuff that is wrong, right in my opinion.
Like stating that their client is innocent till proven guilty although they KNOW he is guilty, just so they can sleep at night.

You know you comitted the crime. It does not matter they can't prove it to the letter of the law. You know it, the policeman that gave you the ticket knows it. That's enough for me. If I commit a crime, i'll have the balls to face whatever consequences there may be. I won't crawl in all possible directions to get out of it. But hey, that's my opinion.
Just go ahead and plead not guilty while in fact you are. I don't care at all... I just think taxpayers money can be spend better than cases like this. I think it is just hyprocritical to do this with a right mind, and then moan about where all that ACC money is going you all are paying. Probably to cagers that think along the same lines as you.

[davereid]

There is no moral argument against what you are saying.

But, it's simply how it works.

Recently, we watched half a dozen policemen, batoning and pepper spraying a disturbed prisoner. The footage was widely circulated and it was very clear that the police had done what was alleged.

But they exercised their right to plead not guilty, and the court agreed that they had the right to use force against the prisoner.

Everyone knew that the prisoner was disturbed.
Everyone knew that he did not need to be controlled.
Everyone knew that all the police need to do was shut the door, turn the stereo up, and ignore him.

But the police had the right to use force to control him.

Its the same for you.

Its a legal system, not a justice system.
Sometimes the tide is against you. Sometimes its not. You choose which way you want to swim, and when.

Personally, if I want to to back to the beach, and that's the way the tide is going, that's the way I will swim.
Even if I don't deserve to get back to the beach. Cos there will be plenty of times I do deserve to get back there, but the tide is sweeping me out to sea.

[p.dath]

So you lot are quite happy with the concept of punishment for acts that haven't actually affected anyone? Pathetic.

By the time someone is affected it's too late.

That's like saying your not going to bother stearing around corners because it doesn't have any effect - until you hit something - and then it is too late.

I also assume you are pro-drink driving? Because it doesn't have any effect, till someone is killed?

[davereid]

You know you comitted the crime. It does not matter they can't prove it to the letter of the law.

So at what point does it change ?

For example....

(a) You NEVER break the law
(b) You break the law, and will immediately go to the police station and confess
(c) You break the law, and will not worry about it if not caught
(d) You break the law, and if caught will just pay up
(e) You break the law and won't cough up if it can't be proven

I think you are just assuming the moral high ground by choosing option (d). But in fact, you only hold the moral high ground if you choose option (a) or possibly (b).

[Neshi]

we're talking about complaining about it and pleading not guilty after being caught. that has nothing to do with the options you give.

[scumdog]

So you lot are quite happy with the concept of punishment for acts that haven't actually affected anyone? Pathetic.

You're dead right - only punish drink-drivers if they actually kill or injure somebody eh!

[Patrick]

A system open to change, in my opinion. People are just getting really bloody sick of being shit on.

It's not just the police, theres ACC going up, rates never stop going up, RUC keeps going up, perhaps you can add a few yourself. It's pretty plain its just a big money grab.

Steve

Out of these, there is one "money grab" that is easily avoided, and by far the easiest to avoid.... but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....... still they speed and still they moan.... and blame all sorts of things for it. I am more interested in finding the prick who was holding the gun to their head, forcing them to speed. He is an elusive bugger.

What a funny world you must live in where to "man up" is actually bending over and getting fucked up the arse. Make sure you wear your sailor suit.

Is that why people speed? They like sailor suits and anal sex? Weird.......

In the case of speeding the 'consequences' are entirely manufactured when there has actually been no harm done to another person or property. I'm glad I can tell the difference between right/wrong and what's legal.

So you lot are quite happy with the concept of punishment for acts that haven't actually affected anyone? Pathetic.

Like that stupid bitch on the cop show late last night? Pissed out of her tree, had made it home.... "But I didn't hit anyone or anything." She hadn't affected anyone.... well... kind of..... she affected the person following her, who rang the Police to say she had crossed the centre line a number of times, oncoming traffic and all.... Was well over twice the limit - but hey, she didn't really "affect anyone."

So I take you are supporting drink driving then?