Justice?! Schapelle Corby

**Paul in NZ** · 31st May 2005, 13:36

Originally Posted by scumdog

After reading the above I'm struggling to think what Indonesia has to offer that isn't available at a 'safer' location??

Go there and take your chances, after all you are visiting 'their' territory.

Exactly mate...

I can pop down the road to Cuba Mall and get my hair braided then can usually find a hooker withing 200 yds and it's not a long walk to the beach either.. Mind you it's a bit parky here right now for topless sunbathing.. ;-)

It's an ever changing world and I have a feeling bali might not be the place to be for a wee while...

I'm thinking of a club med resort at raumati, anyone care to invest?

ah hem

**marty** · 31st May 2005, 13:44

you can get tamperfree zip ties - i challenge you to get one with a metal lock tab undone. the plastic ones are shite. it's a question of ease - if a loader has to fuck around with unlocking a zip tie, or just opening a non-locked bag, or pinging a lock with a pair of $2 cutters, which is he going to choose?

and once you've got a cut-off zip tie undone, how the hell are you going to get it done up again?

**Skyryder** · 31st May 2005, 17:51

Originally Posted by Jim2

It's a bike site.

I voiced an opinion. I still stand by it.

I have no desire to present my argument as anything other than an opinion. Hence my comment re. ambushes. I don't come to this site looking for a fact based discussion on comparing elements of cultures. I also could pull your "arguments" to bits, but you are taking a contrary view that could be described as mischeivous at best.

You are not going to change my mind no matter how many times you change direction in your posts, another reason to call your posts ambushes. One minute we appear to be discussing the same thnig. The next you've tacked to another heading.

You've sucked a great deal of joy from this site for me as I feel like I am being held to account for voicing an opinion that the opinion that you seem to subscribe to is nothing more than thinly veiled Post Victorian Imperialism. White Christian Might does still indeed appear to be Right.

Another thing - We were ALL wrong. Indonesia does indeed pre-suppose innocence in its judicial system. I spoke to an Indonesian friend, and the myth that Ms Corby's guilt was pre-supposed was an Australian media construct based on the Indonesian judge referring to the prima facie case against Ms Corby (she was in possesion of a substantial quantity of drugs) as providing a basis to assume she was guilty.

I really do have very little sympathy for Ms Corby. Islamic social norms are completely different to western christian ones. Australia and Indonesia have a very strained relationship. Western travellers behave in ways, especially the way women dress, that give an Islamic culture an excuse to be, at the least, affronted. It is extreme arrogance to think you can bowl into another culture, another country, and then demand that they let you behave in whatever way you want.

In the interests of biker diplomacy.

Have a nice day.

Skyryder

**WINJA** · 31st May 2005, 18:13

Originally Posted by marty

you can get tamperfree zip ties - i challenge you to get one with a metal lock tab undone. the plastic ones are shite. it's a question of ease - if a loader has to fuck around with unlocking a zip tie, or just opening a non-locked bag, or pinging a lock with a pair of $2 cutters, which is he going to choose?

and once you've got a cut-off zip tie undone, how the hell are you going to get it done up again?

YOU DONT THINK BAGAGE HANDLERS CAN CARRY A SELECTION OF ZIP TIES

**StoneChucker** · 31st May 2005, 18:39

I guess the only option is to cable tie your bags with secure cable ties before handing them over. Then upon collection, open the bags (regardless of whether the ties are intact or not) and search the bags yourself before you go anywhere. All's sweet, go through customs. Find a big bag of "icing sugar" or "oregano", hmm, dispose of it how you deem best. 1, surrender it to a customs official, and spend 20 years in jail, surrendering your ass to Ling, the prison's resident shemale or TRY ditch it somewhere (shitter, rubbish, try snort/smoke it all).

But Paul/Scumdog are right. Don't bother going there, you can get it all here, or other suitable locations not so dangerous. A friend recently came back from Sri Lanka (on a house building mission) and said it's a wonderful place with friendly welcoming people.

Hell, you can all come round to my place and sunbathe in the garden.

Oh, lets not get too offensive/defensive in our posts ay?

**Drew** · 31st May 2005, 21:21

Originally Posted by John

This entire thing is such a media storm - hell they had it on all afternoon on prime, and yet we don’t show as much concern to the slaves and those dieing of curable disease’s - if you want justice open your eyes to the wider picture I'm afraid - the world is a sick place

I'm with you mate. Did you hear about her beuty sallon, it has a sign on the door that reads," back in twenty".
There are bigger fuckin issues than how dumb this woman was, and what happens to her.

**Biff** · 31st May 2005, 21:30

Highly recommended for locking your luggage.
There's even an indicator that tells you whether your luggage has been opened or tampered with. And they're inexpensive considering the potential consequences.

http://www.gogogear.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=1217

**Hitcher** · 1st June 2005, 21:10

One day soon, the dust will settle on the Schapelle Corby case and the truth/facts, uncoloured by the heat of emotion and anger, will come out. We will be surprised to learn things that we should have known earlier and will probably feel betrayed and cheated by the "poor" service done to the story at the time by the dreaded media. There will always be a belief that the Australian Government could have done more to assist, or that if somebody had looked harder some evidence would have been found that could have got her off. Yeah right.

For now Schapelle has little to look forward to, other than an appeal which I predict will be fruitless. Her case is piss-weak, unless her defence counsel can produce a baggage handler prepared to confess all in front of an Indonesian judge. Her best option is to swallow her pride and to beg the Indonesian President for forgiveness. Yes, that may be seen as an admission of guilt. But given a choice between Bali and Brisbane, I know my preference! Otherwise she will be forgotten by the enraged Australians almost immediately the triggers have been pulled on the Bali Nine; to emerge again in 20 years time on the cover of Woman's Day and New Idea.

International travel is risky. It always has been. Given heightened tensions since September 11 (I always have to remind myself it's not November 9, bloody Americans), travel is riskier now than it has been for many years. Border agencies everywhere generally try to do the right thing by the travelling public but you can make life extremely difficult for yourself (and others travelling with you) if you piss them off. But if you obey the laws and regulations and take zealous efforts to protect yourself and your possessions, and are friendly, respectful and courteous, you should be OK.

And enough of the talk about busting padlocks, etc. Yes, it is entirely possible that there lurks a fudpucker baggage handler with an oxyacetylene plant and a universal key. But I suspect his prowess and commitment to tampering with Louis Vuitton is much overestimated by the more paranoid amongst us.

**MadDuck** · 1st June 2005, 21:33

Sign outside Corbys Salon

"BACK IN 20"

Hell I have travelled through most of those countries including Singapore and Thailand. I check my damn bags before entry to visa check because its a sensible thing to do...ok I aint blonde and beautiful.

The precaution comes from seeing a mate stitched in Amsterdam for a tiny bit of hootch he forgot was in his pocket on return to Heathrow back in the 90's. Its their laws and their rules. Enter their countries knowing this. She looks like the perfect drug runner to me - next is lil ole ladies. IMHO

**jaybee180** · 1st June 2005, 22:06

Currently if you are travelling to the States via Auckland with either Quantas or Air New Zealand you will have your luggage randomly searched by Aviation Security. If you have any locks, including ties of any nature, you will be asked to remove them or they will be cut off. It's up to you if you want to replace them. If you are entering the States and they want to search your bags then they will remove them any way they see fit. (I know coz I work for Aviation Security). There is nothing for you to sign to state that your bags have ever been locked at any stage other than your word, which really aint gunna mean much.

In saying all this you would be amazed at what people try to take out of the country that they KNOW is not allowed and then proceed to give lame excuses for why they need it. The bottom line is that if it's not allowed then you don't need it.

From November 2005 ALL international luggage will be x-rayed that is leaving the country. It's gunna be interesting just what we find then. And remember this is just what is leaving the country - not what is coming in.

At the end of the day be very careful with your luggage, take only what you need. If you can hire it, or buy it overseas then do so.

**Ixion** · 1st June 2005, 22:17

Originally Posted by jaybee180

Currently if you are travelling to the States via Auckland with either Quantas or Air New Zealand you will have your luggage randomly searched by Aviation Security. If you have any locks, including ties of any nature, you will be asked to remove them or they will be cut off. It's up to you if you want to replace them. If you are entering the States and they want to search your bags then they will remove them any way they see fit. (I know coz I work for Aviation Security). There is nothing for you to sign to state that your bags have ever been locked at any stage other than your word, which really aint gunna mean much.

In saying all this you would be amazed at what people try to take out of the country that they KNOW is not allowed and then proceed to give lame excuses for why they need it. The bottom line is that if it's not allowed then you don't need it.

From November 2005 ALL international luggage will be x-rayed that is leaving the country. It's gunna be interesting just what we find then. And remember this is just what is leaving the country - not what is coming in.

At the end of the day be very careful with your luggage, take only what you need. If you can hire it, or buy it overseas then do so.

Which pretty much confirms my original conclusion that there is no safe way to take hold baggage. So will we see travellers demanding an increase in the miserly cabin bag allowance, so they can take a proper suitcase in the cabin?. Myself I travel light, I can take enough for a month's trip in a cabin bag. But no woman could do that.

And if we suspect that Kiwi air side staff are a bit suspect, and Oz ones 10 times worse, I warrant that the USA ones are 100 times worse again.

**Hitcher** · 1st June 2005, 22:24

Originally Posted by Ixion

Which pretty much confirms my original conclusion that there is no safe way to take hold baggage. So will we see travellers demanding an increase in the miserly cabin bag allowance, so they can take a proper suitcase in the cabin?. Myself I travel light, I can take enough for a month's trip in a cabin bag. But no woman could do that.

And if we suspect that Kiwi air side staff are a bit suspect, and Oz ones 10 times worse, I warrant that the USA ones are 100 times worse again.

If you're really paranoid you can check your baggage immediately you collect it off the carousel prior to going through immigration/customs/agriculture. But if the luggage is screened prior to uplift even that may not help you much, if you're worried about the fudpucker baggage handler with the gas axe and halitosis...

If your bag was OK when you checked in onto an international flight, there's a particularly good chance that it will still be OK once you uplift it at the other end.