The ACC saga - a new approach.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm not suggesting censoring.

I'm suggesting performing in a more appropriate location.

To be entirely honest I'm f**king sick of all the PC shit that has been shoveled on and stifles our everyday lives, without any more be heaped on.

Well intentioned though these ideas are they suck arse. Pretty soon we will all be too fucking scared to get out of bed for fear of offending someone or making a bad example because we forgot to reduce the risk of exposure to a common cold because we didn't put our clothes on before we got out of bed. You only need to see what has happened to kids out-wood bound learning environments as a result of all the PC OSH shit. 1 foot high rope bridges and the like

I say fuck off with all your PC crap and let us live our lives the way we want to. If people keep trying to limit my life experiences I might one day get fed up and decide to limit their fucking lives out of sheer frustration. Seriously, someone will crack and it may happen.

[Katman]

Actually, asking bike magazines to consider the way they portray motorcycling is no different to the way that fashion magazines are now being asked to consider the impact they have had on womens health through their use of near anorexic models.

[Fatt Max]

Actually, asking bike magazines to consider the way they portray motorcycling is no different to the way that fashion magazines are now being asked to consider the impact they have had on womens health through their use of near anorexic models.

Yeah, and them skinny little slappers in no way flick my switch. Have a pie love, gat a few beers down ya, full cream milk and sugar, then you will look happy and lay off the skag.

Put big fat pie eating chicks in bike mags, now that would be the ultimate.....

[davereid]

I say fuck off with all your PC crap and let us live our lives the way we want to. If people keep trying to limit my life experiences I might one day get fed up and decide to limit their fucking lives out of sheer frustration.

Ye fucking ha, some common sense in this.

I am also truly sick and tired of being told "wear a condom, wear a helmet, wear ATTGAT". Thank christ I don't listen, and I still cheerfully tootle around ignoring all the rules made for me by helpful bastards.

I don't care that the helpful bastards have to pay for my accidents. Because I didn't ask them to.

ACC and the welfare state was pushed down my throat. And at every turn, its used as a whining way to make me safer, nicer, more respectable and a better citizen.

Rock on summer, so I can putt down the long country road I live on, in jeans and a T shirt, helmet-less, enjoying the smells and sights of the country, enjoying my life, my way.

[MSTRS:Me]

To be honest, FM, Rubenesque types are too thin for you, are they not? Yet there's some like a tinkle on the old rib-piano...
Like ideas to cut back our ACC problems, you can't please everyone.

[Ocean1]

To be entirely honest I'm f**king sick of all the PC shit

I am also truly sick and tired of being told

Ah yes, thank you gentlemen.

My work here is done.

[Katman]

Ah yes, thank you gentlemen.

My work here is done.

Here's a question for you and your two ostrich mates..........

If motorcycling continues to be noticed solely for it's nuisance value by the powers that be, and more and more legislation is introduced to curtail your motorcycling freedom (far more so than this thread ever will), at what point would you suddenly sit back and think "shit, maybe we should have done something about this sooner"?

The funny thing is that the purpose of this thread is to try and avoid the very thing you all are so vehemently opposed to happening.

[rastuscat]

Are you suggesting that no-one buys motorcycle magazines?

I'm sure the stats are somewhere, but I think that motorcycle mags are read by less than 20% of the motorcycle riders in NZ.

Only my estimate, and based on the fact that only one of the motorcycle guys I know actually buys mags.

[miloking]

I'm sure the stats are somewhere, but I think that motorcycle mags are read by less than 20% of the motorcycle riders in NZ.

Only my estimate, and based on the fact that only one of the motorcycle guys I know actually buys mags.

i would believe it....kind of like 80% porn mags are purchased by guys with no girlfriends

[Katman]

I'm sure the stats are somewhere, but I think that motorcycle mags are read by less than 20% of the motorcycle riders in NZ.

Only my estimate, and based on the fact that only one of the motorcycle guys I know actually buys mags.

As I said earlier, I'm not suggesting that ads in motorcycle magazines should be the only idea we should explore.

[miloking]

..at what point would you suddenly sit back and think "shit, maybe we should have done something about this sooner"?

When they start telling me what kind of bike i should ride by making larger cc bikes expensive to register and how fast i should ride them...that would be about the right time to get angry.

[davereid]

... motorcycling continues to be noticed solely for it's nuisance value by the powers that be, and more and more legislation is introduced to curtail your motorcycling freedom (far more so than this thread ever will), at what point would you suddenly sit back and think "shit, maybe we should have done something about this sooner"? The funny thing is that the purpose of this thread is to try and avoid the very thing you all are so vehemently opposed to happening.

What a load of old crap KM.

Helmets didn't appease the safety nazis.
Headlights on wont.
Pink reflective jackets wont.
ATGATT wont.

That's because motorcycles don't have crumple zones, air bags, or stability control.
No amount of legislative fucking around, safety gear or training days will ever make them as safe as cars.

Even if we all wear ATGATT, all do training days 12 times a year, all wear pink jackets and have flashing lights on top of our helmets, motorcycles will still be much much much more dangerous to our health than the car is.

You might get that figure of 23 times more dangerous down, but I bet you don't as cars will get safer and safer, and bikes just won't.

The safety Nazis are marching..

They have already fucked the smoker.

Even after the smoker was taxed so he covered all his health costs they didn't stop.
Even after the smoker was completely informed about the health risks they didn't stop.
Even after he was restricted to smoking only where he couldn't affect anyone else they didn't stop.

Even if they smoke in the safest way possible, in private and are fully insured they will still want to ban smoking as they know it is unhealthy.

Motorcycling will be the same. The only way to stop motorcycles killing people is to ban them. Just like smokers.

So, if you really want your grand-kids to able to ride a motorcycle, it is freedom you should be championing.

Your ATGATT will be welcomed, and will be useless, just like the smokers filter tip and low tar fags.

[miloking]

What a load of old crap KM.

Helmets didn't appease the safety nazis.
Headlights on wont.
Pink reflective jackets wont.
ATGATT wont.

That's because motorcycles don't have crumple zones, air bags, or stability control.
No amount of legislative fucking around, safety gear or training days will ever make them as safe as cars.

I know motorcycling is 23 times more dangerous than driving a car or 27 times more dangerous when I ride helmet-less.

Even if we all wear ATGATT, all do training days 12 times a year, all wear pink jackets and have flashing lights on top of our helmets, motorcycles will still be much much much more dangerous to our health than the car is.

You might get that figure of 23 down, but I bet you don't as cars will get safer and safer, and bikes just won't.

The safety Nazis are marching..

They have already fucked the smoker.

Even after the smoker was taxed so he covered all his health costs they didn't stop.
Even after the smoker was completely informed about the health risks they didn't stop.
Even after he was restricted to smoking only where he couldn't affect anyone else they didn't stop.

Even if they smoke in the safest way possible, in private and are fully insured they will still want to ban smoking as they know it is unhealthy.

Motorcycling will be the same. The only way to stop motorcycles killing people is to ban them. Just like smokers.

So, if you really want your grand-kids to able to ride a motorcycle, it is freedom you should be championing.

Your ATGATT will be welcomed, and will be useless, just like the smokers filter tip and low tar fags.

I fully agree with that...its all about personal choice, and not letting nanny state fuck with it!

[Katman]

Even if they smoke in the safest way possible, in private and are fully insured they will still want to ban smoking as they know it is unhealthy.

Motorcycling will be the same. The only way to stop motorcycles killing people is to ban them. Just like smokers.

And when they finally do just that you can sit back and pat yourself on the back and say "well at least I didn't cave in to the fuckers".

Go back to sticking your head in the sand.

[yachtie10]

This thread is getting good
Im agreeing with people I usally dont

ADs in magazines while a good idea is probably a waste of time. Now get the internet banned especially Youtube then you might get somewhere