The ACC saga - a new approach.

**Pixie** · 17th July 2010, 09:07

Originally Posted by miloking

Dont have children but would smack them just fine if they were naughty and dont smoke...

Smack someone else's kids then.It'll do them good.They won't think they are living in fairyland anymore.

**Katman** · 17th July 2010, 12:42

Originally Posted by Pixie

And here lies the problem

Like most NZers,Katman has accepted authority and does not believe he can fight it.

I'm no stranger to a fight. I just happen to believe the fight needs to be directed at cleaning up or own back-yard.

**Bikemad** · 17th July 2010, 13:13

Originally Posted by Katman

I'm no stranger to a fight. I just happen to believe the fight needs to be directed at cleaning up or own back-yard.

examples please katman................

**Katman** · 17th July 2010, 13:19

Originally Posted by Bikemad

examples please katman................

We need to change the attitude present in far too many motorcyclists that we have the right to treat public roads as racetracks.

We need to make greater efforts to avoid having accidents.

We need to improve the manner in which many motorcyclists interact with other road users.

In short, we need to start acting like grown ups if we expect the powers that be to treat us as such.

**Bikemad** · 17th July 2010, 13:25

ya startin to sound like a politician dude..............or do you work for ACC............

**Paul in NZ** · 17th July 2010, 13:32

I wonder what the acc cost is going to be for this accident...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3929...arty-van-crash

Fuggin people movers....

**miloking** · 18th July 2010, 01:17

Originally Posted by Katman

I'm no stranger to a fight. I just happen to believe the fight needs to be directed at cleaning up or own back-yard.

That just means you have accepted the authority no matter how much you try to sugar coat it for your ego...

**MSTRS:Me** · 18th July 2010, 10:18

Originally Posted by miloking

That just means you have accepted the authority no matter how much you try to sugar coat it for your ego...

Actually, no. It means he accepts that we, as motorcyclists, hold the power in making the moves necessary to being left alone by policy makers.
Motorcyclists, in general, have a shameful record of un-necessary injury etc, and although 'we' seem to be better than has been the case in the past, there is still a long way to go. No good protesting 'unfair targeting of motorcyclists', when in fact the pollies have a point...
I'm sure all here are highly skilled, safe riders - I know I am - but the significant number of individuals who are not, bring crap down on the collective. Bit like the whole class being kept in after school, because little Johnny was out of line.

**DMNTD:Me** · 18th July 2010, 10:34

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Actually, no. It means he accepts that we, as motorcyclists, hold the power in making the moves necessary to being left alone by policy makers.
Motorcyclists, in general, have a shameful record of un-necessary injury etc, and although 'we' seem to be better than has been the case in the past, there is still a long way to go. No good protesting 'unfair targeting of motorcyclists', when in fact the pollies have a point...
I'm sure all here are highly skilled, safe riders - I know I am - but the significant number of individuals who are not, bring crap down on the collective. Bit like the whole class being kept in after school, because little Johnny was out of line.

Cut it out...that simply stinks of the truth

**Bikemad** · 18th July 2010, 10:34

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Actually, no. It means he accepts that we, as motorcyclists, hold the power in making the moves necessary to being left alone by policy makers.
Motorcyclists, in general, have a shameful record of un-necessary injury etc, and although 'we' seem to be better than has been the case in the past, there is still a long way to go. No good protesting 'unfair targeting of motorcyclists', when in fact the pollies have a point...
I'm sure all here are highly skilled, safe riders - I know I am - but the significant number of individuals who are not, bring crap down on the collective. Bit like the whole class being kept in after school, because little Johnny was out of line.

too true Dave?........ but this will continue as long as there are young people riding motorcycles im afraid..........no amount of legislation will change this in my opinion........us old geezers are more aware of the consequences of our actions and the pain and suffering involved when it goes pear shaped

**MSTRS:Me** · 18th July 2010, 10:47

Originally Posted by Bikemad

too true Dave?........ but this will continue as long as there are young people riding motorcycles im afraid..........no amount of legislation will change this in my opinion........us old geezers are more aware of the consequences of our actions and the pain and suffering involved when it goes pear shaped

Not Dave, but otherwise you are on to it. Many of the m/c hooligan-type of the past are now in cages (boyracers)...maybe we should be encouraging those that are left to follow them? Then that category can get even more of a hammering...while our act is so clean we get left alone.

**Katman** · 18th July 2010, 10:57

Originally Posted by Bikemad

but this will continue as long as there are young people riding motorcycles im afraid..........no amount of legislation will change this in my opinion........us old geezers are more aware of the consequences of our actions and the pain and suffering involved when it goes pear shaped

True, no amount of uninformed legislation will change it. Uninformed legislation will only fuck things up for the rest of us. If there is to be legislation then we must be part of the procedure. To be included in the decision making though we have to be seen as fit to offer an opinion worth being listened to seriously.

An improvement in the manner that motorcyclists conduct themselves is completely achievable - it just comes down to enough of us wanting it to happen.

**caseye** · 18th July 2010, 17:13

Originally Posted by Katman

True, no amount of uninformed legislation will change it. Uninformed legislation will only fuck things up for the rest of us. If there is to be legislation then we must be part of the procedure. To be included in the decision making though we have to be seen as fit to offer an opinion worth being listened to seriously.

An improvement in the manner that motorcyclists conduct themselves is completely achievable - it just comes down to enough of us wanting it to happen.

I'm with you on this one Katman, I'd like it to happen and I'm willing to actually do something about it, but there are a hell of a lot of people out there who ride who see your/our opinion/vision as flawed and unachieveable.Or worse as somehow making us cow tow to the pollies instead of being able to help achieve a result that is acceptable to both them(pollies) and us as riders.

**Bikemad** · 18th July 2010, 17:31

sorry Mark but i guess i am one of those who think its unachievable..........in a perfect world maybe but as long as there are young inexperienced riders on high powered machines........hell even some experienced guys i know ......ahem.....get swept up in the moment sometimes...........there are gonna be riders gettin killed or maimed............ya cant legislate against stupidity.......end of story
personally i think the ACC content of the rego fee should be based on ya individual riding history........case by case.......much like other insurance contracts........coz thats all it is after all............i also believe if you have comprehensive medical cover then you should be ACC exempt.........my two cents worth