The ACC saga - a new approach.

[NONONO]

Riffer
I genuinely respect what you are trying to do, and understand it's a thankless and difficult task, But...
You can't just go around representing people all over the place yknow.
Bronz's mandate comes only from it's membership and represents only it's members.
Running with your logic I declare that I represent pole dancers and will work tirelessly for them. I better go and have a chat with them and let them know.

[riffer]

Riffer
I genuinely respect what you are trying to do, and understand it's a thankless and difficult task, But...
You can't just go around representing people all over the place yknow.
Bronz's mandate comes only from it's membership and represents only it's members.
Running with your logic I declare that I represent pole dancers and will work tirelessly for them. I better go and have a chat with them and let them know.

Thanks mate. Pole dancers need recognition and representation.

And tips.

[riffer]

Erm???????

Motorcycling, motorcyclists. Slight slip of the tongue. My apologies.

Still the same thing but, no matter how much you want to spin it.

I look forward to working with your alternative organisation.

Over and out.

[Fatt Max]

Thanks mate. Pole dancers need recognition and representation.

And tips.

Yes,and when I do it I need a structural survey, building consent and leather pants....

[caseye]

Yes,and when I do it I need a structural survey, building consent and leather pants....

At the very Least I'da thought!! te he he.
Come on everyone, play nice, we do need one organisation that can and does speak for all those who want to do something about the Gubbermints atrocious treatment of us motorists.
Ora t the very leadt for those organisations that do represent to be able to talk civilly to one another.Perhaps even, Heaven Forbid co operate with each other.

[NONONO]

Yes,and when I do it I need a structural survey, building consent and leather pants....

Jeez...
With that image in my mind Ive got no chance of raising even a smile tonight. Will tell the wife the no show's down to you Max.Then again....
Sweatybikersinlederhoseinconsruction.com may just make some money.

[Berries]

So, rather than leave that image of a naked Fatt Max sliding down the lard encrusted pole outside the kebab shop are there any solutions ?

I don’t think there are. New riders applying for their Learner licence are the only group that can be targeted for improved education and training as they have to comply to get on the road legally. This should be a given. Most learners however don’t crash. They understand they are new and ride accordingly while picking up survival tips through experience.

Training of licenced riders is another issue. By all means offer up the opportunities, but what are the incentives for someone who doesn’t believe that they need that training ? Make it compulsory for all riders? Well, if it is free and fits in with my schedule then I might have a look, otherwise I’m not interested.

Then there is obviously a large group of riders sitting outside the law. Learners on big bikes, and those who just don’t have a bike licence at all. These people add to the stats in a big way but I think they need to be treated separately. It is a bit like recidivist drink driving. It isn’t a driving issue, it is an alcohol issue. In this case it is not a motorbike safety issue, it is an attitude issue, and those people are dragging us all down with them.

I do not believe it is within the power of the riding community to improve the crash stats. Most riders don’t crash. Most riders who do crash don’t intend to. Give them all the training in the world and they’ll still hit the car pulling out of the intersection, or just go slightly too fast in to the bend, or fail to see the brake lights in front. Or ride while munted. That’s because we are human.

The only way I see that the figures can be brought down is through insurance and getting rid of the ACC. Compulsory vehicle insurance with big penalties for not having it would go some way to putting people on bikes more appropriate to their experience. It could also be an incentive for doing advanced riding courses. And if personal medical insurance was compulsory then again, people may ride bikes a little differently, or at least be forced in to riding bikes a little more appropriate to their skill and experience level. Obviously that’s not going to happen with the sacred cow that is the ACC.

What will they do to us ? Well, they want to reduce the health costs of riding, not ban riding altogether so it will all be to do with trauma reduction. I am sure a compulsory standard of riding gear will be one of the things that comes first, thanks to the ATGATT fundamentalists. Then the fluoro vest. Then white helmets. A 90km/h national speed limit can’t be far away. Then pillions will be prohibited due to the level of their injuries. Then perhaps all riders will have to ride to the same conditions as a restricted licence holder. At some point the riding community will say enough is enough and then times will get interesting. We got nowhere near that point with the ACC levy increase.

Me, I’ll just look after myself, worry about friends and family and let the Darwin theory continue on its merry way. Keeps me in work after all.

[MSTRS:Me]

I haven't said much in here, but have been following with interest. The points I get are...
No-one wants to be legislated.
Most of you have good ideas, but no-one wants the ideas 'the other bloke put forward'

FFS, we know how this will go, if we can't get on the same page...

LEGISLATION on gear and conditions.

If we absolutely refuse to countenance that, then we must agree on what we 'want' and how to achieve it. There is no middle ground. We are either the solution or the problem.

Education, using the ring-fenced ACC fund, is probably the only practical way to reach all and sundry.
Some safety ads, for sure.
Promotion of protective gear.
Rider training days, both theory and practical like RRRS do.
Perhaps the training days can be subsidised? Or attend, and pass a certain level of proficiency, gives you a discount on your rego/insurance or voucher for 'free' stuff at a bike shop?

Come on, we need ideas and agreement, not endless argument.

[mashman]

I still believe an Ad campaign is the way to go. One that informs people of the REAL dangers of the road. Not to shock and awe, but to educate road users in regards to the most likely "crashes", explain what to look out for and explain what the traffic could have done, if anything, to help "prevent" the accident. Do the top 10 accidents and see if it makes a difference?

[dipshit]

I still believe an Ad campaign is the way to go. One that informs people of the REAL dangers of the road.

That would be motorcyclists losing control and running off the road then.





While 'intersections' make a big number too... motorcyclists were responsible for 25% of them so will leave 'motorcyclists losing control and running off the road' as the number one danger for any ad campaign to be aimed at.

[MSTRS:Me]

Yes yes yes. We've heard that one. Some ads (if they happen) will be aimed at motorcyclists looking out for themselves.
Got anything useful that we haven't heard/seen before to contribute?

[Katman]

Here's an idea for an ad with an aim toward improving situational awareness.

Filmed from the motorcyclists perspective - long straight country road - sheep suddenly darts into path of motorcyclist from long grass on side of road. Film stops just before impact and rewinds - replay reveals moving grass on side of road a number of seconds before the sheep appears.

Similar ad could be done in an urban setting.

[Ocean1]

Me, I’ll just look after myself, worry about friends and family and let the Darwin theory continue on its merry way. Keeps me in work after all.

Salut.

A discrete modicum of coherence is SO refreshing.

[Ocean1]

Filmed from the motorcyclists perspective - long straight country road - Katman suddenly darts into path of motorcyclist from long grass on side of road. Film stops just before impact and rewinds - replay reveals moving grass on side of road a number of seconds before Katman appears.

You got the costume sorted dude?

[Katman]

You got the costume sorted dude?

Can we have the ad shot from onboard an XB12X please?