The ACC saga - a new approach.

[Katman]

Just because some on here rant on about dubious oven ridiculus answers doesnt mean some havnt put good submissions in to them that were constructive.

Unfortunately, I don't imagine that one single submission to ACC prior to the levy increases included the words "we recognise that we have these problems within our ranks and plan to deal with them this way".

So far we have been seen as totally unaccommodating to the idea of compromise.

[That looks like fun]

"WE" is a word used to transfer fault. I am responsible for myself and no other. While the "we" need to fix this problem mantra persists it means "I" cant. Its a bit like the beatings idea, if you call someone a wanker often enough they might stop being one, or they might call you a wanker then it comes down to who is the biggest hardest hitting wanker being the winner,
Sounds like a loose loose solution to me.
Again I say motivate people so they buy into the solution. Sure training companies will spring up over night and rake it in. Would I rather pay to be safe (trained etc) or fixed (ACC)

[Katman]

Again I say motivate people so they buy into the solution.

I've always acknowleged the fact that there's many here that can present a similar idea in a far more palatable manner than I can.

[racefactory]

Best way to avoid the insane ACC costs is to not buy rego. Put it on hold and risk the fine. You can afford 2 and a bit a year and still be better off than if you paid the rego. Teaches you to drive responsibly too. However most people will be stuck to the 'proper' way society pressures us to feed the system despite the increased costs and outright robbing of the public.

[That looks like fun]

Best way to avoid the insane ACC costs is to not buy rego. Put it on hold and risk the fine. You can afford 2 and year and still be better off than if you paid the rego. Teaches you to drive responsibly too. Most people however will be stuck to the 'proper' way society pressures us to feed the system.

Another way to avoid it would be to not own a bike. But most people are stuck in societys pressure to own one

[Neshi]

Nice Idea. But maybe the focus should be on reducing injuries first, be a bit easier to implement. How many of us have sucked up acc $$$$ by crashing without gear? (yes, I've done it) Seen lotsa scooter riders, and plenty of m/c riders too without anything but a helmet and f-all else. And then there's the off-road stuff to work on.... it all goes in the stats

If I'm riding around town (Wellington) for uni and groceries etc, I don't put on my full gear. A regular leather jacket, helmet and gloves is all that I need in my opinion, for going max 50km/h.

[racefactory]

UOTE=trademe900;1129806676]Best way to avoid the insane ACC costs is to not buy rego. Put it on hold and risk the fine. You can afford 2 and year and still be better off than if you paid the rego. Teaches you to drive responsibly too. Most people however will be stuck to the 'proper' way society pressures us to feed the system.

Another way to avoid it would be to not own a bike. But most people are stuck in societys pressure to own one

That's the losers way!

[davereid]

Maybe it's time we accepted the levy increase that has been imposed upon us and now divert our energy towards insuring there are no further increases.The only way we will achieve that is by dramatically reducing the number of motorcycle accidents.

Motorcycle accidents are at an all time low.

The reason ACC hates us, is because on average we are rich.

Your ACC man has to pay you 80% of your income should you be unable to work as a result of an accident.

So, for a Man earning $125,000 a year, his rego buys him $100,000 of income protection insurance.
For the pensioner, his rego buys him $0 of income protection insurance.

The premium for both is the same.

Well, not quite.

I don't pay rego on 5 vehicles, saving me $2500 a year. Its a good deal, as I still get the cover. If I should get caught I will pay the fine, but guess what, its a year without reg in October, and so far no fines.

Even my U turn in front of the checkpoint on Tuesday in Pahiatua did not result in police attention.

Long live ACC, and a model that does not relate your cover, to what you pay.

[Katman]

That's the losers way!

No, the loser's way is to bury one's head in the sand and pretend that there's nothing wrong with the current state of Motorcycling.

[racefactory]

No, the loser's way is to bury one's head in the sand and pretend that there's nothing wrong with the current state of Motorcycling.

Nice post matey.

[Katman]

Motorcycle accidents are at an all time low.

What planet are you on?

[racefactory]

I don't pay rego on 5 vehicles, saving me $2500 a year. Its a good deal, as I still get the cover. If I should get caught I will pay the fine, but guess what, its a year without reg in October, and so far no fines.

Even my U turn in front of the checkpoint on Tuesday in Pahiatua did not result in police attention.

Long live ACC, and a model that does not relate your cover, to what you pay.

Nice, someone who isn't brainwashed and can think critically. It's a good thing there aren't many of us... else we'd be in deep trouble with our regos! Long live ACC!

[Mom]

What planet are you on?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Bling limits etc.

A valid one, and one that needs to be adressed in a non Katman way

[davereid]

What planet are you on?

I have the advantage of the facts...but don't let it ruin your ignorant tirade

[Katman]

I have the advantage of the facts...but don't let in ruin your ignorant tirade

Hmmm, you've made the same mistake that the good professor did.

Accidents per 10,000 motorcycles means jack shit.

The fact that these days there are far more motorcyclists that are owners of multiple motorcycles than years gone by, makes your 'advantage of facts' totally redundant.