The ACC saga - a new approach.

[onearmedbandit]

I think the ad that I'm imagining is perhaps more designed towards the new, impressionable motorcyclists.

If we can bring about a change within that demographic, it may well carry through to a long term and widespread attitude shift.

As I wrote my post I did consider that effect, however we already have a number of ideas focusing on new impressionable riders (not saying that we can't do with more). I don't know if it's just my perception but I notice a lot of new riders have actually got their heads screwed on properly these days. They are (for the most part) buying bikes that suit their skill levels and seeking help, tips and guidance (believe or not but from here, such as advice from the older hands, newbie friendly rides, mentors etc). There are always the exceptions of course, those that think they are the next Rossi, but they seem to be fewer and further in between than riders in my age group who still push the limit on the roads.

[onearmedbandit]

On that note, being too lazy to search does anyone have stats on motorcyclists deaths per age group (matched against numbers of riders)?

[Katman]

As I wrote my post I did consider that effect, however we already have a number of ideas focusing on new impressionable riders (not saying that we can't do with more). I don't know if it's just my perception but I notice a lot of new riders have actually got their heads screwed on properly these days. They are (for the most part) buying bikes that suit their skill levels and seeking help, tips and guidance (believe or not but from here, such as advice from the older hands, newbie friendly rides, mentors etc). There are always the exceptions of course, those that think they are the next Rossi, but they seem to be fewer and further in between than riders in my age group who still push the limit on the roads.

You may well be right - which just makes it all the more important to quash the glorification of irresponsible riding that is so often grandstanded by experienced motorcyclists on here.

The last thing we need is anyone playing the Pied Piper.

[fossil]

Thats MY own point of view onearmed, NOT a BRONZ stance in any way manner or form.... read my post again...as it states its what I would like to see. I am allowed my own opinion too you know, but when I speak for BRONZ in ANY situation its the members agreed point of view thats put out there not MINE, there is a big difference.

Do you know, there are far more skin grafts paid for by ACC than long term head injuries?
Helmet laws have paid off yet years ago we cried "why should I wear one" when now in 2010 no sane riders would go b\areheaded (except Hone of course but sanity is a oxy moron there)

I want (thats ME not BRONZ) to see gloves and decent footwaer a mnimum requirement..... if you dont agree thats your call. Its logical and can save thousands if not millions in medical care over say a decade and therefore justify a reduction in the lec\vy's if we can cost less in medical treatment...... utopian I know but its MY OPINION and I am allowed one

BRONZ makes sure it puts all policies to the members... I dont just make up policies and nor do the other BRONZ leaders

Which BRONZ is this? Is it Wellington or what? How does the 242 members mentioned in another thread give you the right to say you represent motorcycling? I would think that Uylsses would have well over 10 times that number of members and a true national organisation. Are they on your special panel with ACC?

[onearmedbandit]

You may well be right - which just makes it all the more important to quash the glorification of irresponsible riding that is so often grandstanded by experienced motorcyclists on here.

Is that an achievable goal? Doesn't motorcycling by nature attract extroverts (as well as introverts, I know), people that are attracted by the perceived risk, danger, glamour combination? These riders will always 'grandstand' their endeavors. Not so much on here, for fear of condemnation, but displayed by their riding and bar room chat?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put up obstacles, Just noting that what you want to eradicate is partly what makes motorcycling what it is (until you can stop those riders riding, it will always be a part of motorcycling).

[StoneY]

Well join BRONZ Wellington and get me voted out then, meantime i will keep on doing what I have been doing, because it made far more difference to everyday motorcyclists than your flaming and trolling on KB.

I still get strangers thanking me at bike stands throughout the region for helping reduce the levy increase...how many thanked you this week pal?

As for statistics, did Charles Lamb invite YOU to his presentation in Christchurch?
Are you meeting with ACC officials next week?
Have you organised a single public event or made a single statement on behalf of the motorcycling public to the press?
Hmmmm?

My understanding of English is fine, and if you think you can get on Close Up, Radio NZ, TV3 or get a meeting with the ACC General Manager (and show him to be the liar he is on public TV) then place your name on the committee form. If you can do so much better Katgirl, be my guest take over BRONZ and show us how its done......

I commented on this thread because its a FORUM not because I feel the need to swap insults with some opinionated self contradictory hypocryte who wishes to wax rhetorical about 'what if's' while BRONZ has actually made a huge difference as opposed to throwing stones in my own greenhouse

[Katman]

Is that an achievable goal?

How long's a piece of string?

[MadDuck]

How long's a piece of string?

As long as you want it to be

[Katman]

Well join BRONZ Wellington and get me voted out then, meantime i will keep on doing what I have been doing, because it made far more difference to everyday motorcyclists than your flaming and trolling on KB.

I still get strangers thanking me at bike stands throughout the region for helping reduce the levy increase...how many thanked you this week pal?

As for statistics, did Charles Lamb invite YOU to his presentation in Christchurch?
Are you meeting with ACC officials next week?
Have you organised a single public event or made a single statement on behalf of the motorcycling public to the press?
Hmmmm?

My understanding of English is fine, and if you think you can get on Close Up, Radio NZ, TV3 or get a meeting with the ACC General Manager (and show him to be the liar he is on public TV) then place your name on the committee form. If you can do so much better Katgirl, be my guest take over BRONZ and show us how its done......

I commented on this thread because its a FORUM not because I feel the need to swap insults with some opinionated self contradictory hypocryte who wishes to wax rhetorical about 'what if's' while BRONZ has actually made a huge difference as opposed to throwing stones in my own greenhouse

Your egotism is fucking repulsive.

[onearmedbandit]

What I'm trying to say is, that it's not motorcyclists (in this particular study, ie those that treat the road as a race track) we should be looking at, it's a type of personality. These people would act in the same manner in a car, on a skateboard, pushbike or just as a pedestrian. It's not so much 'how do we change the attitude' but more 'how do we change the personalities'.

To eliminate them we would need to stop them buying bikes. How can we acheive that. Once again I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm honestly trying to weed out who it is that's being targeted, what type of person are they (because we can't blame motorcycles themselves as you would a drug like 'p', otherwise we'd all be out there racing it up) and how you can stop/change them.

[fossil]

Well join BRONZ Wellington and get me voted out then, meantime i will keep on doing what I have been doing, because it made far more difference to everyday motorcyclists than your flaming and trolling on KB.

I still get strangers thanking me at bike stands throughout the region for helping reduce the levy increase...how many thanked you this week pal?

As for statistics, did Charles Lamb invite YOU to his presentation in Christchurch?
Are you meeting with ACC officials next week?
Have you organised a single public event or made a single statement on behalf of the motorcycling public to the press?
Hmmmm?

My understanding of English is fine, and if you think you can get on Close Up, Radio NZ, TV3 or get a meeting with the ACC General Manager (and show him to be the liar he is on public TV) then place your name on the committee form. If you can do so much better Katgirl, be my guest take over BRONZ and show us how its done......

I commented on this thread because its a FORUM not because I feel the need to swap insults with some opinionated self contradictory hypocryte who wishes to wax rhetorical about 'what if's' while BRONZ has actually made a huge difference as opposed to throwing stones in my own greenhouse

Hey StoneY, if you want to progress the rights of motorcycling with the powers that be its not a good idea to call the general manager a liar. In fact its f#@*ing stupid.

[Katman]

To eliminate them we would need to stop them buying bikes. How can we acheive that. Once again I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm honestly trying to weed out who it is that's being targeted, what type of person are they (because we can't blame motorcycles themselves as you would a drug like 'p', otherwise we'd all be out there racing it up) and how you can stop/change them.

I think it comes down to peer pressure.

Just as drink driving has become something that (while admittedly it still exists) is something that is seen as definately running counter to public acceptance, so too could irresponsible riding become seen in a similar light.

[onearmedbandit]

I think it comes down to peer pressure.

Just as drink driving has become something that (while admittedly it still exists) is something that is seen as definately running counter to public acceptance, so could irresponsible riding become seen in a similar light.

I think that already exists, to a degree, as seen in ah certain 'zones' here already. And I see the push moving further still. Not many people would be brave enough to condone irresponsible riding on the road. Well not publicly anyway. There are those of course who will defend it, I described them in a post above.

[Katman]

I think that already exists, to a degree, as seen in ah certain 'zones' here already. And I see the push moving further still. Not many people would be brave enough to condone irresponsible riding on the road. Well not publicly anyway. There are those of course who will defend it, I described them in a post above.

We live in interesting times.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You may well be right - which just makes it all the more important to quash the glorification of irresponsible riding that is so often grandstanded by experienced motorcyclists on here.

The last thing we need is anyone playing the Pied Piper.

Who the fuck is 'we' Tonto? You don't seem to be on anyone's side but your own when it comes to opinions. You seem to want to spend all your efforts swimming against the tide like you are aiming to fail.

The idea of reducing motorcycle accidents was included in the very first post.

If you're incapable of understanding plain English I'd question your ability to fulfill your role within BRONZ.

It ranks right up there with Les' inability to interpret statistics.

Your egotism is fucking repulsive.

Rates with your envy then