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[Biff]

OFFICIAL TEN MOST CORRUPT NATIONS LEAGUE TABLE


WORST TEN
Bangladesh (1.2)


Nigeria (1.6)


Paraguay (1.7)


Madagascar (1.7)


Angola (1.7)


Kenya (1.9)


Indonesia (1.9)


Azerbaijan (2.0)


Uganda (2.1)


Moldova (2.1)




-- Scores out of ten. 10 being very trustworthy.

This table is compiled annually and is based upon information supplied by the UN and other organisation such as the IMF, ITO and several human rights agencies. It included, but is not limited to: Commercial reports, the propensity of law enforcement agencies to accept bribes, blackmail of tourists and residents by said law enforcement agencies etc etc.

Snuff said?

[Ms Piggy]

Well if your ever put into a similar position i hope you rot in some fucking stinking jail cell, without anyone knowing your there or give a toss about you.

Others have before her - we were talking about it today at Uni. There was the NZ woman - Cohen. She had her son with her when she was jailed & her and son lived in the jails for years and evetually they came back NZ. http://www.crime.co.nz/c-files.asp?ID=2544 Just found this.
Slightly different I guess b/c she was clearly guilty.

I'm undecided as to her guilt or innocence but sadly it's the legal system of that country - pretty inconsistent.

I've also heard that some Aussies are asking for all their donations back that they gave during the Tsunami. It's a sad, sad world we live in.

[Biff]

And just out of interest - the most trustworthy:

TOP TEN
Finland (9.7)


Denmark (9.5)


New Zealand (9.5)


Iceland (9.4)


Singapore (9.3)


Sweden (9.3)


Canada (9.0)


Netherlands (9.0)


Luxembourg (9.0)


United Kingdom (8.7)

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OFFICIAL TEN MOST CORRUPT NATIONS LEAGUE TABLE


WORST TEN
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Indonesia (1.9)

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Snuff said?

These tables can be a bit misleading though. One man's corruption is another's social custom.

I've found in Indonesia that if you want anything done you have to accompany the request with a "present". Usually for me only 20 or 50 000 Rupiah (about $50). So not a big sum, though I guess at higher levels the presents are larger.

But I'm not sure that I'd call it "corruption". In general the present won't get an official to do something that's actually wrong or let you get away with actual illegality (at any more than parking ticket level)

It's more of a queue jumping/ instant fine sort of thing. If you don't pay it, your application/request will stick at the bottom of the queue. Or, you give the parking warden a 20k backhander instead of getting a 50k fine.

There seems to be a sort of general understanding of what's acceptable "presents" and what's actually bribery.

It's not so many years ago that English custom condoned the same attitude. read Pepys' Diary and not his attitude towards "presents".

[Clockwork]

I tend to think shes not guilty, simply because I can think of no reason why anyone would transport thousands of dollars of anything to a country where its barely worth hundreds.

[justsomeguy]

You see in certain countries corruption is a necessary way of life.

Just like in America tipping is considered an actual part of the waiters salary - meaning it is expected to be given.

In some countries the govt' agents etc are paid so poorly that for them to live a decent life they need some sort of extra compensation. This starts at a small level and grows as you climb up the corporate food chain, slowly getting bolstered by politics, greed and envy until it reaches levels that cannot be overcome.

That has been the way of the land for decades and anybody who tries to blaze his/her own trail is made to either get with the program or shut up shop and leave.

[Paul in NZ]

I tend to think shes not guilty, simply because I can think of no reason why anyone would transport thousands of dollars of anything to a country where its barely worth hundreds.

No, thats not the case.

There was an article in the paper about this issue and it is very worthwhile to import grass into Bali.

Cheers

[justsomeguy]

I tend to think shes not guilty, simply because I can think of no reason why anyone would transport thousands of dollars of anything to a country where its barely worth hundreds.

It's definitely one of "those" cases. Too many that's too stupid to be true scenarios in this case.

[Biff]

I've found in Indonesia that if you want anything done you have to accompany the request with a "present". Usually for me only 20 or 50 000 Rupiah (about $50). So not a big sum, though I guess at higher levels the presents are larger.

Likewise whenever I deal with Indonesia it's a given that there are several 'mouths to feed' before anyone does a single thing. And I'm talking about politicians and their hoards of so called 'advisors' that pop out of the woodwork. All leaches In my book.

But I'm not sure that I'd call it "corruption". In general the present won't get an official to do something that's actually wrong or let you get away with actual illegality (at any more than parking ticket level)

I *ahem* know first hand that all it takes it a backhander to get around legalities and official beauracracy. And this in itself is illegal under Indonesian law. And indeed international trade law. Alledgedly.

[mikey]

They won't for me - I'm bald, fat, white, and middle aged. The only people that would give a crap would be my immediate family. I guarantee it.

nah mate id give A SHIT, I WANT YOUR BIKE!

[mikey]

It's definitely one of "those" cases. Too many that's too stupid to be true scenarios in this case.

I tend to think shes not guilty, simply because I can think of no reason why anyone would transport thousands of dollars of anything to a country where its barely worth hundreds.

wong!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN wtrong!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN WRONG........... GOT IT AT LAST, SHOULDN BE DRIBNKING THIS EARLY IN THE MORNING.

AS PUAL SAID THERE WAS A ARTICLE IN PAPER

it said its a fucking good business ijmporting pot into bali, she was just stupid how she did it (if she did or not thats not the point) its a fucking good business

WHY...................

firstly,

there is fuck loads of shit horse pot in bali, what was in shcalpel or whoevers bag was hydroponically growen wqith some huge buds, not the shit the natives grow,

secondly,

westerners have growen wary off buying pot oiff natives as it could be a cop (an its pretty shit stuff as previously mentioned) they pay as much if not more than what we pay here for good hydroponically growen pot, from westerners as there is less chance of it beinga copper in disguise or should i say a copper on duty

thirdyl;

i dont no another reason

NOTE READ FIRST NOT LAST [IF YOUR MEMORY IS AS GOOD AS MINE]

when i say westerners i mean white p[eople just doesnt sound as racist

[Clockwork]

Thanks for the input, Mikey. That puts a whole other spin on things.

[Lou Girardin]

Weight of evidence: guilty
Her past is an indication that she has the character to be guilty, that cannot be changed and probably dissuaded any possible doubt in the judiciary's mind. We'd be better putting our names to having that corrupt Islamic cleric of Bali bombing conspiracy fame jailed for a term that's more appropriate to his crime. He got 2 years, Corby got 20; there's the travesty. Freed she should not be!

What past?

[Marmoot]

Regardless of guilty or not, I think the whole media spin was actually the one putting this case into trouble.

I am talking in respect to jurisprudence and precedent that this case would set, in the case that she got set free.
If she got set free, then every one of drug smugglers that gets caught will plead ignorance and had to be set free even with similar(ly weak) defense.
And that would put the "justice" system (that they are desperately trying to repair) into jeopardy.

One avenue that can be accepted is to convict Corby as usual and to send clear signal to drug smugglers that the court cannot be taken lightly. Afterwards, the President can actually grant remission or even just to cut the sentence (significantly) shorter based solely on good behaviour. This move will not set any precedent and thus will not have long term effect on justice system, as it is solely President's prerogative rights to do so.

So, in light of this, I reckon any appeals would be worthless, and could even carry heavier penalties to act as further deterent.

If the case hasn't been spun out of proportion, they actually might have gotten off with lesser sentence quietly.

And, on the other angle, President or Aussie Prime Minister would not be able to interfere with the justice system as they are supposed to be independent. So in this respect any petition would be worthless.

P.S.
Aren't we supposed to lock our baggages and be extra vigilant? And, moreover, 4.1kg of things would be very noticeable, wouldn't it?
Either she is guilty, or she is very stupid. Unfortunately, both ways carry hard consequences.

[Lou Girardin]

Gee Mikey, you think it's good business to buy a product for thousands and sell it for hundreds.
I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

Reasonable doubt doesn't seem to be a concept in Indonesian law. I bet some would like to see that system here.