Free Schepelle Corby Petion

**StoneChucker** · 3rd June 2005, 13:17

Originally Posted by Fart

Not everyone is fortunate enough to have our up bring and education as most of us do in NZ. Rather than degrade and attack those that have differences, maybe we should show some understanding and assist them in their needs. Most in the third world struggle dayly to get enough food to feed themselves and their families let along understand the politics of right and wrong. Maybe we should travel abit before we make judgements.

True. I agree, there are much bigger problems - I guess the main being the millions of starving people. I know that what I said previously is my view of things, and I didn't intend to try change anyone's mind.

Don't think for one minute that I don't know/care about those starving/persecuted people out there. I do. (Just nothing I can do about it, so don't spend much time thinking about it).

**ManDownUnder** · 3rd June 2005, 14:03

I don't know enough to sign it one way or the other... so I won't.

Give me al the facts so I can make up my own mind on stuff - but the trial by media isn't enough for me. Prima Facea she seems to have been framed... but like I say - that's the media's version of event...

Good luck to her and I honestly hope she gets what she deserves - whichever way that might be.

MDU

**Skyryder** · 3rd June 2005, 17:44

Originally Posted by Jim2

It is the same point I tried to make before you deliberately started the selective quoting and tangential interpretation of what I was saying.

Oh I see. Not content with accsuing me of the ambush, now you want to take the credit for something I wrote.

Let me refesh you with the facts of this thread. I was responding to Hitchers interpeation of my post. But now you fire your bullets at me. Excuse me, but sounds like an ambush......................missed.

Now I fire back.

Tangential interpretation...........what a load of codswallop....sounds like a load of intellectual drivel. No just plain drivel.

Skyryder 1 Jim2 0 Now go away

Skyryder

**James Deuce** · 3rd June 2005, 17:51

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Oh I see. Not content with accsuing me of the ambush, now you want to take the credit for something I wrote.

Let me refesh you with the facts of this thread. I was responding to Hitchers interpeation of my post. But now you fire your bullets at me. Excuse me, but sounds like an ambush......................missed.

Now I fire back.

Tangential interpretation...........what a load of codswallop....sounds like a load of intellectual drivel. No just plain drivel.

Skyryder 1 Jim2 0 Now go away

Skyryder

I think you are taking this a little bit seriously. I've tried to point out that it was my opinion, but you took it personally for some reason.

We can either admit to both taking it too far in regard to the way we have addressed each other, or I'll just continue to dread logging on to kiwibiker.

**Skyryder** · 3rd June 2005, 18:18

I thought we had buried the hatchet in the other post but you dug it up again.

I don't take anything personal here Jim2. This forum is pure entertainment. Some humour,

: some drama,

bit of ol' time religion

and most of all camaraderie.

Stay sharp stay cool and most of all stay alive.

Skyryder

**Hitcher** · 3rd June 2005, 18:21

Originally Posted by Skyryder

No I am not.

Skyryder

PS But it has happened here. Fair trial + false evidence= injustice. Ask Arther Allan Thomas. There is also some doubt about Peter Ellis, Scot Watson and some would say Bain's. A fair trial will not garantee justice it's just that it will in most cases.

Skyryder

Point 1: The law isn't about justice. It's about due process. "Justice" is incredibly subjective, a point made by many others (some quite eloquently) in regard to the various Schapelle Corby threads. Due legal process is an attempt at objectivising the judicial process. It is less than perfect on some occasions.

Point 2: False evidence provides the basis for an appeal. A trial that convicted or acquitted on the basis of incomplete or inaccurate evidence yet still followed due process is subject to appeal, just as a trial that did not follow due process may also be appealed. If the outcome of an earlier trial is changed on appeal, then the first trial is by definition unfair.

As a further point of clarification, Arthur Thomas got a Royal Pardon -- as a result of the ultimate form of appeal in New Zealand.

**Skyryder** · 3rd June 2005, 18:45

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Point 1: The law isn't about justice. It's about due process. "Justice" is incredibly subjective, a point made by many others (some quite eloquently) in regard to the various Schapelle Corby threads. Due legal process is an attempt at objectivising the judicial process. It is less than perfect on some occasions.

Point 2: False evidence provides the basis for an appeal. A trial that convicted or acquitted on the basis of incomplete or inaccurate evidence yet still followed due process is subject to appeal, just as a trial that did not follow due process may also be appealed. If the outcome of an earlier trial is changed on appeal, then the first trial is by definition unfair.

As a further point of clarification, Arthur Thomas got a Royal Pardon -- as a result of the ultimate form of appeal in New Zealand.

The law is about justice. Justice is acheieved by due process.

Hitcher if I thought for one minute you had something to say of importance I would be willing to debate with you on any subject. However your last two posts have confirmed that you are unable to interpretate my comments correctly. As such I humbly suggest that you go cast your line in another direction where you may get a better bite.

Skyryder

**Hitcher** · 3rd June 2005, 18:50

Originally Posted by Skyryder

The law is about justice. Justice is acheieved by due process.

Hitcher if I thought for one minute you had something to say of importance I would be willing to debate with you on any subject. However your last two posts have confirmed that you are unable to interpretate my comments correctly. As such I humbly suggest that you go cast your line in another direction where you may get a better bite.

Skyryder

Your humility overwhelms me to such an extent that I shall have to go and prostrate myself before the altar of Your Greatness. Forgive me for wasting your time, oh One of Huge and Immeasurable Intellect, for I am not worthy to offer opinions within your purview.

**Ixion** · 3rd June 2005, 18:53

Originally Posted by Skyryder

The law is about justice. Justice is acheieved by due process.

..

Law and Justice may on occasion meet in the same courtroom, but seldom do more than salute each other before departing by separate doors.

**Biff** · 3rd June 2005, 18:59

Lighten up chaps......

**Skyryder** · 3rd June 2005, 19:01

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Your humility overwhelms me to such an extent that I shall have to go and prostrate myself before the altar of Your Greatness. Forgive me for wasting your time, oh One of Huge and Immeasurable Intellect, for I am not worthy to offer opinions within your purview.

Just gave you a rep point for this.

Have a good one Hitch.

Skyryder