Police to continue car chases

[onearmedbandit]

So you're saying that offenders should be allowed to run away and continue their crime spree? What if they just robbed a bank with a loaded shotgun?

No. What I'm saying is neither you or I know what criteria the police use in determining whether it is safe to consider a pursuit or not. Like I said, every pursuit is different. Smarter minds than yours throughout the world have determined that in certain circumstances it is advisable to stop a pursuit.

[onearmedbandit]

If someone wants to run and kills them self, then I fully support that.
If they flee and kill someone innocent, then that is a tragedy, but we can't stop the police from pursuing in the general interest of the public's safety. However if they survive then slap 'em with a murder charge.

The runners. However if the chasing unit/s are told to back down but don't then they too are culpable.

Make the rules plain and simple, for both sides.

If I may quote myself, I'm all for the police to have the power to pursue, backed up by my original post in this thread. However, there may be circumstances that dictate a pursuit be stopped, as I said in my second post.

[jahrasti]

Not so, know people who have been involved in chases that ended with a trip to court...2yr loss of licence & $900 fines for the perpetrators. One ended up involving 3-4 black & whites, 2 muffties, & 2 police bikes to block the road to stop the offender (even though there were 6 of us involved they only targeted the one bike in the group).
In saying that have been directly involved in a chase that had 2 cop cars block the street to stop us and were sent on our way with just a VERY SOLID ear bashing & on your way by one of the officers

back to you. Find below a copy of Section 114

(2) The maximum penalty on conviction for an offence against subsection (1) is a fine not exceeding $10,000.

(3) If a person is convicted of an offence against section 114 and has previously been convicted of an offence against section 114 or, while failing to comply with section 114, exceeded the applicable speed limit or operated a motor vehicle in an otherwise dangerous manner, a court must order the person to be disqualified from holding or obtaining a driver licence for 3 months.

(4) If a person is convicted for a third or subsequent offence against section 114,—

(a) the maximum penalty is imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months; and

(b) the court must order the person to be disqualified from holding or obtaining a driver licence for 1 year.

Yes it did end in a trip to court. They would have been found guilty of other shit though.

But hey, you stick to your story it is much better than the truth.

[T.W.R]

But hey, you stick to your story it is much better than the truth.

No story, but fact

One of the guys wasn't seen by the cop until he passed the street where the cop was and was out of sight most of the time the cop was chasing him, he actually stopped and waited for the cop. went to court and got the 2yrs loss & $900 fine. The cop informed him that the reason was because of noise that he tried to stop him (500 Pantah with Contis) and it was written on the ticket "Failing to Stop" and had no other offences listed.
Then 6mths after getting his licence back got done for failing to stop (roughly 8kms before he did actually see the cop in the mirrors) went to court again got the same judge and hit with the same conviction.

The other event with the group of us the cops did the offending rider for failing to stop & ecxcessive speed because at the time the primitive radars they were using couldn't get a lock on him. That resulted in the end of the northern motorway southbound lane into ChCh being blocked at the Belfast pub being blocked to stop us.

[jahrasti]

No story, but fact

One of the guys wasn't seen by the cop until he passed the street where the cop was and was out of sight most of the time the cop was chasing him, he actually stopped and waited for the cop. went to court and got the 2yrs loss & $900 fine. The cop informed him that the reason was because of noise that he tried to stop him (500 Pantah with Contis) and it was written on the ticket "Failing to Stop" and had no other offences listed.
Then 6mths after getting his licence back got done for failing to stop (roughly 8kms before he did actually see the cop in the mirrors) went to court again got the same judge and hit with the same conviction.

The other event with the group of us the cops did the offending rider for failing to stop & ecxcessive speed because at the time the primitive radars they were using couldn't get a lock on him. That resulted in the end of the northern motorway southbound lane into ChCh being blocked at the Belfast pub being blocked to stop us.

So you mentioned black and whites. Do you mean actual black and whites (MOT) or Police. If MOT then shit that some time time ago. That was probably when the cops only had one light.

If that long ago then way before my time. I was just a young fella when they merged and didn't have a licence. Oh hang on, it still didn't stop me falling off a motorbike and breaking my wrist

I do still remember getting stopped by one of the local MOT for being a passenger and not wearing a seatbelt. He made me call him sir and the end of each sentence.

One would have to find the rules of the day,probably road rules or somethin like that to see what the penalty was for failing to stop back then.

I might have to google as now I am curious.

Watch this space.

[SMOKEU]

No. What I'm saying is neither you or I know what criteria the police use in determining whether it is safe to consider a pursuit or not. Like I said, every pursuit is different. Smarter minds than yours throughout the world have determined that in certain circumstances it is advisable to stop a pursuit.

I'm well aware of the criteria police comms use to determine weather or not a pursuit should be abandoned. It is based on the police driver, the police car, the speed of the offender, the manner of driving, traffic conditions, road conditions, the reason for the pursuit and how much of a tosser the comms shift commander is.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm well aware of the criteria police comms use to determine weather or not a pursuit should be abandoned. It is based on the police driver, the police car, the speed of the offender, the manner of driving, traffic conditions, road conditions, the reason for the pursuit and how much of a tosser the comms shift commander is.

That much is obvious. But do you know the determining limits and specific criteria for each of those areas?

[SMOKEU]

That much is obvious. But do you know the determining limits and specific criteria for each of those areas?

It is all based on what the comms shift commander considers "too dangerous". Sometimes 100kmh in a 50kmh zone is fine, other times the pursuit will be abandoned at only 120kmh in a 100kmh zone, out in the countryside with no other traffic around. So to answer your question, "specific criteria" is an opinion made by one person based on many different factors put together. As they say, "If there is any unjustified risk to members of the public, you must abandon the pursuit immediately".

[onearmedbandit]

It is all based on what the comms shift commander considers "too dangerous". Sometimes 100kmh in a 50kmh zone is fine, other times the pursuit will be abandoned at only 120kmh in a 100kmh zone, out in the countryside with no other traffic around. So to answer your question, "specific criteria" is an opinion made by one person based on many different factors put together. As they say, "If there is any unjustified risk to members of the public, you must abandon the pursuit immediately".

You seem to know a lot about pursuit procedure. Is this picked up from listening to your scanner?

[SMOKEU]

You seem to know a lot about pursuit procedure. Is this picked up from listening to your scanner?

Listening to my scanner for hundreds of hours has given me a lot of insight into police procedures.

[onearmedbandit]

Listening to my scanner for hundreds of hours has given me a lot of insight into police procedures.

I figured as much...

[SMOKEU]

I figured as much...

Yeah, well I sit at home all day listening to the scanner. It's like a full time job for me.

[T.W.R]

So you mentioned black and whites. Do you mean actual black and whites (MOT) or Police. If MOT then shit that some time time ago.

In the mid late 1980s MOT & Police merged in 1992

[Toaster]

So you're saying that offenders should be allowed to run away and continue their crime spree? What if they just robbed a bank with a loaded shotgun?

In a situation like that they would likely continue to pursue becasue the person still presents a very high risk to the public. That is more likely to end in AOS ramming them off the road and taking them down at gunpoint.

A numbnuts who merely runs a stop sign is obviously at the other end of the scale.

[SMOKEU]

In a situation like that they would likely continue to pursue becasue the person still presents a very high risk to the public. That is more likely to end in AOS ramming them off the road and taking them down at gunpoint.

A numbnuts who merely runs a stop sign is obviously at the other end of the scale.

Ramming them off the road - good one!