Police to continue car chases

[jahrasti]

Ramming them off the road - good one!

Yes a moving block, older AOS operators especially are still qualified and able to do it, did they not teach you that at college?

[SMOKEU]

Yes a moving block, older AOS operators especially are still qualified and able to do it, did they not teach you that at college?

That would cause an unjustified risk to people!

[Patrick]

....- I got charged with wreckless driving ... that's harsher than "failing to stop for a police officer ... "

Which is why you were hammered... certainly not for failing to stop.

Not so, know people who have been involved in chases that ended with a trip to court...2yr loss of licence & $900 fines for the perpetrators. ......

Again... NOT for faling to stop.

No story, but fact

One of the guys wasn't seen by the cop until he passed the street where the cop was and was out of sight most of the time the cop was chasing him, he actually stopped and waited for the cop. went to court and got the 2yrs loss & $900 fine. The cop informed him that the reason was because of noise that he tried to stop him (500 Pantah with Contis) and it was written on the ticket "Failing to Stop" and had no other offences listed.
Then 6mths after getting his licence back got done for failing to stop (roughly 8kms before he did actually see the cop in the mirrors) went to court again got the same judge and hit with the same conviction.

The other event with the group of us the cops did the offending rider for failing to stop & ecxcessive speed because at the time the primitive radars they were using couldn't get a lock on him. That resulted in the end of the northern motorway southbound lane into ChCh being blocked at the Belfast pub being blocked to stop us.

"ONE OF THE GUYS" was pulling your pisser. Definitely "story. Definitely NOT fact.

In the mid late 1980s MOT & Police merged in 1992

Failing to Stop has always been a pissy offence. Even before the merger. Even in the mid 80's....

Jahrastri correctly points out it has only recently gone up to what it is now. It has been a Maximum $10,000 fine only since the early 90s from memory. It used to be a $1000 fine maximum, so to lose the licence for 2 years and get a $900 fine is bollocks. There is FAR more to that story.......

That would cause an unjustified risk to people!

Comes down to training. Taking out an armed robber armed with a shotgun wouldn't be justified?

Can be done easily and the patrol car damage could be fixed with twink. Better if bullbars were fitted...... just like the yank cars.

[jonbuoy]

Modern car and bike ECU´s are pretty smart these days, it wouldn´t take much to have a small short range receiver inside them to put the engine into a "limp" mode - ie limit top speed and power output. Pursuing cops could be sent an encyrpted code from a secure database to activate the limp mode, only needs to be active for 20 minutes or so to bring the chase to a stop.

[pritch]

The states have some things right... flee over there and it's felony evasion, 5 years jail.

And I believe that if somebody dies while a felony is being committed the charge must be murder 1?

[rastuscat]

How about the people who have failed to stop get together and have a review of their decisions not to stop.

Then we could all blame them, instead of only having one target in our sights i.e. the Popos.

Just a thought.

[davereid]

How about the people who have failed to stop get together and have a review of their decisions not to stop. Then we could all blame them, instead of only having one target in our sights i.e. the Popos. Just a thought.

They have only themselves to blame if they get hurt by not stopping.

I'm much more sympathetic for the innocent person caught up in a chase.

So far I tend towards the view that the nutty driving was what caused the chase. Not chasing therefore would not eliminate the danger.

I'm puzzled however as to the large number of chases.

Anecdotally, some of the young fellas I have talked to about it, have a sincere belief that they will get away. Their peer group talk is all bragging of the cop that got left behind. I haven't seen any statistics as to the number of abandoned chases. It would appear however, that the more chases that are abandoned, the more the lads will think they can get away.

Another factor is the penalties if they do stop.

In my day, the traffic department had few teeth. So stopping was viable, as the ticket would leave you chastised but not fucked over.

But now-a-days fines are massive, disqualification, vehicle impoundments and serious financial cost is never far away.

So we have combined a natural belief that you can get away, with a natural belief that you will be savaged if you stop.

[Patrick]

How about the people who have failed to stop get together and have a review of their decisions not to stop.

Then we could all blame them, instead of only having one target in our sights i.e. the Popos.

Just a thought.

You forgot to add.... "So there...."

Fixed.

[rastuscat]

So there.

Sorry.

So there.

Tee hee.

So there.

[Patrick]

Thats better...

So there....

[idb]

It'll be great when all the cops have guns, they'll be able to lean out the window and shoot out the tyres.

[Banditbandit]

That much is obvious. But do you know the determining limits and specific criteria for each of those areas?

The cops are never going to say what the specific criteria are. If they did, we would all know what we had to do to lose one in a chase ...

[onearmedbandit]

The cops are never going to say what the specific criteria are. If they did, we would all know what we had to do to lose one in a chase ...

Which is my point. Listening to a scanner for hours on end doesn't really give much insight into police procedure.

[T.W.R]

"ONE OF THE GUYS" was pulling your pisser. Definitely "story. Definitely NOT fact.
There is FAR more to that story.......

Were you there to see the events unfold Paddy?? nah didn't think so.

Bit like the Invercargill Judge who ordered a bike destroyed a few years ago because the rider had been playing silly buggers in town on it.

I could give you a couple of good MOT events from years gone by...like a drunk driver being apprehended after a chase across at least 4 suburbs of ChCh hitting cars taking, out property fences etc only to go to court & the officer involved being claimed to have been overzealous in his apprehension of the offender because he & a member of the public gangtackled the offender and held him down till back-up arrived.

or a classic closing of the ranks by the cops because an officer stopped a drunk driver, laid charges only to have it swept under the carpet because the drunk was a senior sargent and it would have ruined his career.

[Bald Eagle]

Were you there to see the events unfold Paddy?? nah didn't think so.

Bit like the Invercargill Judge who ordered a bike destroyed a few years ago because the rider had been playing silly buggers in town on it.

I could give you a couple of good MOT events from years gone by...like a drunk driver being apprehended after a chase across at least 4 suburbs of ChCh hitting cars taking, out property fences etc only to go to court & the officer involved being claimed to have been overzealous in his apprehension of the offender because he & a member of the public gangtackled the offender and held him down till back-up arrived.

or a classic closing of the ranks by the cops because an officer stopped a drunk driver, laid charges only to have it swept under the carpet because the drunk was a senior sargent and it would have ruined his career.

Or the District Court Judge apprehended for drink driving, and quietly transferred to a different district.