Draggin jeans ripping off NZ customers????

**Biff** · 31st May 2005, 11:31

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Kinda wondered that myself. Can you get armour for them?

Yes - but it's optional. They supply Knox armour. And they are re-enforced with kevlar as standard.

I bought armour for the shins and hips. Both sets being removeable. So the trousers are great for casual wear once you get to your destination.

**Lou Girardin** · 31st May 2005, 11:43

Originally Posted by Motu

Yes,people need to step back and look how they earn a living themselves....and how justified are their own prices? Knock our own retailers and don't support them so they can create sales volume to get prices down.It's a global market and NZ had better wake up? Some day online may be all you've got,knowing who you buy products from will be a thing of the past - can't come soon enough for me,salesmen are parasites on society....

Yup, buy on the internet and when the goods are wrong you can sell them on trademe. Or you can buy gear that sounds very "gee whiz" and then discover it's not so great for our conditions or you can't get replacements easily.
Because we parasites never actually try the gear we sell.

**250learna** · 31st May 2005, 11:44

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

We live in a small unknown country at the end of the world, if you want better buying power move to friggin 'murika.
Why do you think supermarkets have lower prices than dairy's?
Learn some economics.

merge with australia

they "have" an economy

http://www.endofworld.net/endofworld.swf
and as you can see in the above (not 56k friendly) they will be ok at the end of the world

**White trash** · 31st May 2005, 16:42

Originally Posted by Motu

can't come soon enough for me,salesmen are parasites on society....

Right. I hope you mean telemarketers or something similar?

Consumers don't know half of what they need to know to make an educated descision. Simple as that.

Example. Scenario 1) How many 3 burner BBQs do the Wharehouse sell each Christmas? Some guy sees the ad, forks over his $279 and $79 for the gas bottle. Goes home, puts it together (badly I might add), chucks it on the Patio of his Oriental Parade apartment and leaves it there.

Well fuck me, six months later, the thing has turned to shit.

Scenario 2) Same guy sees an ad at The BBQ Factory, 3 burner el cheapo BBQ, $279. Goes into buy one. Friendly "parasite" asks how he's doing and what can he help him with. Guy goes, "Cheap BBQ". Salesman says "Cool." Asks a few questions then kindly points out that in a coastal area, a powder coated, mild steel BBQ in a steel trolley, is gonna be shagged in about six months. Our punter might want to consider a stainless steel body in a hardwood trolley if he wants to enjoy the appliance for a good number of years.

Question. Does this customer feel ripped off or pleased that another human being with a little more knowledge on a subject took the time to offer good advice? Would he have got that same advice from a web ordering service?

Now this'll look like a personal attack. It isn't. Never have I suggested that a customer should step up from a 250/learner licence to an open class, 1000cc sportsbike. How the hell is someone going to build their skills to a safe level when they're constantly scared shitless by their bike? I've always offered impartial advice to anybody in my shop and feel that I've been rewarded ten fold by being honest and open.

Not that I actually give a fuck, I wont be selling anything other than my skills in three weeks time but the comment stings Motu.

Edit: Ahhhhhhhh *looks extremely sheepish* sorry mate, just re-read it and the I believe your post may have been "dripping". I'll crawl back under my rock for a while. You're too god at that shit, that's your problem.

**Motu** · 31st May 2005, 16:59

Sorry mate - I woulda though you atleast would have caught on that all my posts are a wind up...Lou didn't bite on that one!

I know all salesmen want to step you up to the next level...but then I do that myself anyway - I have my price range and target firmly in mind....but as I reshearch the market(I like to do that,myself) I always end up having to extend my price level to get the quality I want.There are some great salesmen out there in many fields who can give me an educated opinion,with all the data,and then I'm happy to back down and take their advice.The sign of a good salesman is one who'll send you to the opposition because they have the product more suited to your needs.You don't get that importing over the internet...

**White trash** · 31st May 2005, 17:08

...I'm stupid, you're smart.

Poor ol' White trash hasn't been keeping up with the sarcastic bastards lately.

Sorry.

**Lou Girardin** · 31st May 2005, 17:10

Then when everyone is buying crap on the interweb, they'll be complaining that there's no bike shops with good, old-fashioned personal service left.
That's when I'll turn down my hearing aid, pour another sherry and say "serves you fucking right"

**White trash** · 31st May 2005, 17:16

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Then when everyone is buying crap on the interweb, they'll be complaining that there's no bike shops with good, old-fashioned personal service left.
That's when I'll turn down my hearing aid, pour another sherry and say "serves you fucking right"

I agree.

So does Motu.

Who the hell are you arguing with mate? Have another sherry......

**WINJA** · 31st May 2005, 17:46

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

We live in a small unknown country at the end of the world, if you want better buying power move to friggin 'murika.
Why do you think supermarkets have lower prices than dairy's?
Learn some economics.

WELL PUT LOU , I SWEAR BUY MY DRAGGIN JEANS IVE CRASHED MORE THAN ANY 5 OF YOU GUYS HERE PUT TOGETHER I HAD MY BIKE ROLL MY LEG WAS UNDER IT SCRAPING ON THE ROAD AND I WALKED AWAY AT $220 THEY ARE A BARGAIN AT $500 IT WOULD STILL BE CHEAPER THAN SKIN GRAFTS,
I HEARD AUSSIE DONT PUT GST ON SAFETY EQUIPTMENT , OUR GOVENRMENT PUTS A 30% TARIFF ON IMPORTED CLOTHES AND GST AS WELL

**Dafe** · 31st May 2005, 17:55

With all the Asian Immigration and trade talks between Helen Clarke and the Asian countries, we are now supporting the Asian trade economy and turned away from the American trade economy. The end result is, American licenced goods are expensive and will become even more expensive over time. The good thing is though: We now have more $2 shops, number shoe warehouses and fruit markets! Get used to "Made in China!!!!"
Draggin Jeans will therefore have pretty huge markups since we are an Asian Trade Nation.

Check out this site in the US. $79.95 USD for Draggin Jeans.
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/dragginjeans.html

**WINJA** · 31st May 2005, 18:04

Originally Posted by Dafe

With all the Asian Immigration and trade talks between Helen Clarke and the Asian countries, we are now supporting the Asian trade economy and turned away from the American trade economy. The end result is, American licenced goods are expensive and will become even more expensive over time. The good thing is though: We now have more $2 shops, number shoe warehouses and fruit markets! Get used to "Made in China!!!!"
Draggin Jeans will therefore have pretty huge markups since we are an Asian Trade Nation.

Check out this site in the US. $79.95 USD for Draggin Jeans.
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/dragginjeans.html

OH YEAH LETS JUST BLAME ASIAN IMMIGRATION FOR EVERYTHING, BIGGER PICTURE THE GOVERNMENT LETS ASIANS HERE CAUSE WE NEED THEM FOR OUR ECONOMY , AND ASIANS ARENT JUST ASIANS THERES PLENTY OF COUNTRYS IN ASIA

**marmel** · 31st May 2005, 18:33

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

We live in a small unknown country at the end of the world, if you want better buying power move to friggin 'murika.
Why do you think supermarkets have lower prices than dairy's?
Learn some economics.

I think that is a poor excuse really. We may be a small country but this company is based in Aussie, right next door. With regards to buying power, that may be true for an importer ordering say 10,000 pairs as opposed to a smaller retailer in NZ ordering 100 but the prices I quoted are direct from the company itself so they aren't discounting them, the price was for one pair sent to the US or NZ. I did send them an email regarding the difference and they replied that it was due to taxes and customs duties the US customers face which is a cop out. I suscribe to a few other motorcycle forums and the US guys don't have any problems importing gear, they normally only get charged any taxes if they buy domestic product. The price is as it is because NZ customers have been willing to pay it. I'm not having any issue with local retailers because if you buy from a store you would expect to pay a bit more for service etc but direct from the company themselves the price should be the same no matter where the product is being sent.

**Dafe** · 31st May 2005, 18:37

Originally Posted by WINJA

OH YEAH LETS JUST BLAME ASIAN IMMIGRATION FOR EVERYTHING, BIGGER PICTURE THE GOVERNMENT LETS ASIANS HERE CAUSE WE NEED THEM FOR OUR ECONOMY , AND ASIANS ARENT JUST ASIANS THERES PLENTY OF COUNTRYS IN ASIA

No!!!!! It's the Asian trade ties to blame, not immigration!!!!!
But thats just the problem, So many New Zealanders do need it pointed out and are too thick to think much more than a.... Duh!!!
Thats why we have such major brain drain issues, coz the smart ones have figured it out!