Crash Poll - Take 2

**Maha** · 30th July 2010, 16:39

'Which is the major influencing factor in motorcycle accidents'?

To much reading and not enough riding.

**Toaster** · 31st July 2010, 20:27

Originally Posted by rachprice

personal responsibility for everyone

Now thats a novel idea!

**Rogue Rider** · 31st July 2010, 20:41

Originally Posted by Katman

Not really.

Take away the rider, the car driver and the motorcycle and the road ain't going to do much at all.

Take away the rider, the car driver and the road and the motorcycle's just going to sit there.

This is good, shows a distinction of what people are thinking. Good post.

**davebullet** · 31st July 2010, 23:10

I ticked rider, but if I had the option I would have ticked "his mother". After all, if the rider wasn't born then he wouldn't have been able to crash so it's her fault.

**Lurch** · 31st July 2010, 23:13

I couldn't see an option for 'Katman' so I just picked 'Rider' instead.

**Woodman** · 31st July 2010, 23:16

What is this poll supposed to achieve??

**Katman** · 1st August 2010, 08:47

Originally Posted by Woodman

What is this poll supposed to achieve??

World peace.

**Woodman** · 1st August 2010, 15:17

Originally Posted by Katman

World peace.

And the winner of Miss KB is........Katman

**Katman** · 1st August 2010, 15:19

Originally Posted by Woodman

And the winner of Miss KB is........Katman

I forgot to add that I want to remove all the flies from the starving babies eyes.

**shrub** · 1st August 2010, 16:05

gravity. If there was no such thing as gravity bikes would just float into the sky and drift into eternity without hurting anyone.

Katman, you're a twat. I know you think that motorcyclist behaviour is the sole cause of crashes, but even the most responsible and highly skilled rider faces risk every time they get on their bike - if I'm sitting on my sensible BMW 650 wearing my safe flouro vest and safe white helmet, and the twat coming up behind me is too busy texting to see me and hits me, is it still my fault?

Or if I ride carefully round a corner at the recommended speed (still wearing my high vis kit, but this time on an even more sensible bike like a CB250), and I hit a patch of unmarked ice grit, an oil spill or a tourist on the wrong side of the road and wipe out, is that my fault too?

What you forget is that we have to take the role of other road users and of the road environment into account because they play a major part in most crashes. If we ignore them we're completely wasting our time, and if we listen to you the only crashes that will be prevented will be the small amount that happen to responsible riders that are entirely their fault, because the incompetent and irresponsible riders will pay no attention to any safety message; and it is my belief that they are the people who have most biker at fault crashes.

What you need to learn (and you won't) is that motorcycle safety is heavily influenced by rider skill and behaviour, other road users, road surface, design and furniture and by legislation. The majorityh of crashes may have a primary cause, but all of these factors influence the outcome.

**Katman** · 1st August 2010, 16:11

Originally Posted by shrub

What you need to learn (and you won't) is that motorcycle safety is heavily influenced by rider skill and behaviour, other road users, road surface, design and furniture and by legislation. The majorityh of crashes may have a primary cause, but all of these factors influence the outcome.

So therefore, the greatest gain we can make towards improving our lot in motorcycling is addressing the factors that we have greatest control over - i.e. ourselves.

**2wheeldrifter** · 1st August 2010, 16:13

Originally Posted by Katman

So therefore, the greatest gain we can make towards improving our lot in motorcycling is addressing the factors that we have greatest control over - ourselves.

Agreed

**Maha** · 1st August 2010, 16:13

Originally Posted by Katman

So therefore, the greatest gain we can make towards improving our lot in motorcycling is addressing the factors that we have greatest control over - ourselves.

YES!......

**shrub** · 1st August 2010, 16:20

Originally Posted by Katman

So therefore, the greatest gain we can make towards improving our lot in motorcycling is addressing the factors that we have greatest control over - i.e. ourselves.

But we cannot ignore the other factors. If we don't recognise that a significant percentage of crashes are caused by other road users and by the road environment we're sticking our heads in the sand. If I don't set out every day expecting other road users to do stupid and dangerous shit, and if I don't expect gravel in the middle of the corner; I'm dead.

**jack_hamma** · 1st August 2010, 16:30

Originally Posted by shrub

But we cannot ignore the other factors. If we don't recognise that a significant percentage of crashes are caused by other road users and by the road environment we're sticking our heads in the sand. If I don't set out every day expecting other road users to do stupid and dangerous shit, and if I don't expect gravel in the middle of the corner; I'm dead.

Originally Posted by Katman

So therefore, the greatest gain we can make towards improving our lot in motorcycling is addressing the factors that we have greatest control over - i.e. ourselves.

Both are right in my eyes, it's up to the rider to be as vigilant and educated with motorcycle riding as he or she can be, that alone would surely cut the death rate on bikes etc?

True other factors after we have done all we can are out of our control, we can only do so much, but that little we do do does help alot