Holy snapping duckshit

**DMNTD:Me** · 4th August 2010, 06:46

Originally Posted by dangerous

The Z1RTC is very rear, you might have the real thing there and If so would love a look but its more likely to be a z1000 cos there are a few that came to NZ, I know of no Z1's myself, doesn't mean there aint any here ith imports and all...

Sure...when I have some time I'll go back in and hit him up. I'll take pic's for y'all

**Grumph** · 4th August 2010, 15:22

To drag this back to the CB..... The most expensive/rarest parts on these is the runniing gear - magnesium brake drums anyone ?
From what I hear most of the CR's being paraded/raced in Europe and the UK are genuine rolling chassis with road motors as the originals got such a hard life.
On that basis this is as genuine as the ones in the UK for which around 23000 Quid is being asked.

**Kickaha** · 4th August 2010, 17:42

Originally Posted by Grumph

The one on trademe should by rights be eligible for the Register but they don't want to know historic Japanese so where you gonna run it ?

At CAMs meetings in the South Island as they're not as snobby as some of the other organisations

**dangerous** · 4th August 2010, 18:27

well the guys going to hold out for his money, hes expecting it to go over seas, the US as they are bit of a cult thing there.
Hers a pic of the bike a few years ago.

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**Yow Ling** · 4th August 2010, 19:59

Its eligible for buckets, might be a bit on the spendy side, be embarrasing when a FXR kicked its arse.

**dangerous** · 4th August 2010, 20:03

Originally Posted by Yow Ling

Its eligible for buckets, might be a bit on the spendy side, be embarrasing when a FXR kicked its arse.

wouldent happen...

**riffer** · 4th August 2010, 20:11

Originally Posted by Yow Ling

Its eligible for buckets, might be a bit on the spendy side, be embarrasing when a FXR kicked its arse.

with a race chassis? That's hardly fair.

**dangerous** · 4th August 2010, 20:48

Originally Posted by riffer

with a race chassis? That's hardly fair.

Why... few RS/GP framed bikes down here, bit more fancy shit going on with them

**gonzo_akl** · 4th August 2010, 20:59

Originally Posted by Grumph

The one on trademe should by rights be eligible for the Register but they don't want to know historic Japanese so where you gonna run it ?

Yeah why is that?

I don't understand why Japanese bikes are specifically banned, can anyone enlighten me.

cheers

**gatch** · 4th August 2010, 21:28

Beats me man.

Although saying they are banned completely isn't quite true.. Most of the smaller meets, ie Manfield and Taupo, they welcome jap bikes in with the "post classic" class.

In saying that it would be a real shame to buy this ripper of a bike to find you can't even compete in a full round of classic racing.

**Grumph** · 5th August 2010, 07:31

Why does the register ban age eigible Japanese bikes ?

Bloody good question - IMO theyre promoting a false history of NZ racing...as I wrote earlier there was a CB92 ran at Cust in 1963 and as soon as the early Jap bikes got out into the right hands they appeared on track. I remember seeing in '70 a T10 Suzuki for sale which had been nicely converted to a racer - from new I was told.
From what I heard when there was still a register in the SI you can blame John Surtees for the emphasis on non Jap - he was pushing "formula Surtees" in the UK and heavily influenced the committee of the time to go that way. The UK equivalent now is the Lansdown Cup which heavily favours originality and is damm close to what big John wanted.
This narrow minded approach to what could be raced was one of the factors which got CAMS started - albeit not the main reason.
A side affect of this originality fetish has been the breaking up of well known Kiwi specials for the genuine parts they contain - to make up yet another Manx or 7R....and real Kiwi history gets lost.
I talked to Mo Haley about this some years ago & we both reckoned at the time that if he turned up with a replica of Haleys Comet (a 7R based kneeler solo from '59) he wouldn't be allowed to run it. Yes, Im aware that he would now - but atttudes in the register change with glacial speed.
What Surtees didn't realise - and the register forgot - was that racebikes out here never stayed original - if something broke you replaced it with what you could afford. Hence the bikes were in a constant state of development and originality was the exception.

**Voltaire** · 5th August 2010, 07:47

Originally Posted by gonzo_akl

Yeah why is that?

I don't understand why Japanese bikes are specifically banned, can anyone enlighten me.

cheers

Cos BJEARS is too hard to say.

**Paul in NZ** · 5th August 2010, 09:23

Originally Posted by gonzo_akl

Yeah why is that?

I don't understand why Japanese bikes are specifically banned, can anyone enlighten me.

cheers

Because what they have is a sensationally successful formula that fills the grid and fill the stands. Since they already have no problem filling the grids, why make more bikes eligible when all that means is current competitors will have to be left out. Pukekohe is also attractive to overseas exhibitors and competitors because its kinda off season for them and they race (in the headline classes) original bikes not the 100% replica improved run in europe.

The organisers have a faulous formula that works and brings in the crowds. This is very very rare in motorcycle racing in NZ. A better option for folks who want to see japanese race bikes (I'd love to see TZ's and RG's banging fairings) is to look at what worked for the register and replicate it for these classes which are now drawing more interest. The danger of expanding the existing meeting and perhaps ruining it is too great.

The original organisers had a vision and with hard work it can be replicated - go for it...